Karma system in the official forums?

[Ammokkx]

I think people are already well aware in many threads, when every third post is something along the lines of: "troll post", "troll thread", etc.. Maybe people just choose to have a discussion regardless, on the merits of the thread topic, or in reply to other users?

I ain't really getting in the way of that though, am I? 'sides, you should've seen me around enough to know that I, too, occasionally have serious discussions in troll threads (or get baited myself). If I'm aware it's a troll thread, though, I never respond to the OP, but rather, the users discussing.

Only really the regulars would know in any case; I think warning about troll threads being troll threads still has merit.

You’re probably not wrong about most of those but it really isn’t going to help. Even if the regulars are aware of who’s who for trolls, there will always be people who just pop on from time to time and get all riled up. And tbh most of the time the troll and bait thread go on forever because people start responding to said people who don’t realize it’s a bait thread and start giving their genuine (usually bad) takes on the topic of choice.

Take the “what content was cut for male viera” thread, started by everyone’s favorite special little lala, MPK. It’s very clearly a bait thread, yet it’s filled with people who genuinely think this content was cut for them. And so people go in there and begin fighting with people who actually hold that belief. And so on and so forth. So knowing the thread is started by a troll account isn’t really going to stop people from posting in it unless they know from the get go. Even then, some people just like to argue. A lot of us are bored. It’s admirable that you’re trying to keep people informed but it’s probably a waste of your energy.

I mean, yeah, it probably is a waste of energy, but you can find me saying "titanmen necros the best threads" all the way back on the first page of my posting history so I've quite literally been doing it since I've joined at this point. Not about to quit it until the mods specifically come around to tell me to stop.

[Artemiz]

No thanks to a karma system, certainly not for a forum like this. One thing noticeably absent from this forum is the typical forum nerd herd who roll about the place "policing" it while backing each other up and basking in their own echo chamber. It's been a forum trope for 20 years or more and karma systems feed them.

Also, unpopular people sometimes still make good points and funny well liked people talk crap. Is it really that hard to judge an argument on it's merits?

[Gameovers]

No thanks to a karma system, certainly not for a forum like this. One thing noticeably absent from this forum is the typical forum nerd herd who roll about the place "policing" it while backing each other up and basking in their own echo chamber. It's been a forum trope for 20 years or more and karma systems feed them.

Also, unpopular people sometimes still make good points and funny well liked people talk crap. Is it really that hard to judge an argument on it's merits?

yes. How dare you make me work. Everything needs to be 1st grade level of dumb moejacks. I dunno... but yeah we REALLY don't need things like - REDDIT, TWITTER, - on here. Leave the facebook and reddit dislikes outta here T.T

[SturmChurro]

What exactly constitutes "very clearly a bait thread"? I've been called a troll before too, and I am of course not one! EVEN IF a user makes a joke topic now and then, why is anything posted by them later automatically a "troll" take now? I don't think it's particularly helpful to shoot down valid topics of discussion. If people choose to interact? Let them.

[Ammokkx]

What exactly constitutes "very clearly a bait thread"? I've been called a troll before too, and I am of course not one! EVEN IF a user makes a joke topic now and then, why is anything posted by them later automatically a "troll" take now? I don't think it's particularly helpful to shoot down valid topics of discussion. If people choose to interact? Let them.

Yeah I definitely know you're not a troll. I've butt heads with you one too many times to think you would be. That being said, I like butting heads with actual people and not strawmen.

The reason posting in troll threads and responding to the troll is kinda awful is because the troll itself knows they're just trying to get you mad. They'll say whatever gets you responding to them and them alone. In turn you're not having an actual discussion with other users and the stances just get extreme-ified over time, to the point of the discussion turning toxic and nonsense.

This is kinda why bait threads and "feeding the troll" as it were are an issue, because even if the topic is legitimate, the troll does everything in their power to not have it be a legitimate discussion. Not to mention the countless times threads were made with nothing to discuss about, being objectively wrong to get a rise out of people. Something something November.

[BunniEclair]

What exactly constitutes "very clearly a bait thread"? I've been called a troll before too, and I am of course not one! EVEN IF a user makes a joke topic now and then, why is anything posted by them later automatically a "troll" take now? I don't think it's particularly helpful to shoot down valid topics of discussion. If people choose to interact? Let them.

Come on, SturmChurro, don’t be deliberately obtuse. It’s easy to tell when someone actually wants to have a discussion about an unpopular opinion and when someone is posting just to get people to start biting at each other’s throats. The word “troll” might be thrown around a lot but it’s extremely easy to tell if something is a bait thread when the topic is something like “Miqote and Au Ra are ugly, discuss.”

[Vahlnir]

Come on, SturmChurro, don’t be deliberately obtuse. It’s easy to tell when someone actually wants to have a discussion about an unpopular opinion and when someone is posting just to get people to start biting at each other’s throats. The word “troll” might be thrown around a lot but it’s extremely easy to tell if something is a bait thread when the topic is something like “Miqote and Au Ra are ugly, discuss.”

Exactly. It is super easy to tell. I think at this point I could literally smell a troll from across the globe If I sniffed hard enough.

[Ammokkx]

Exactly. It is super easy to tell. I think at this point I could literally smell a troll from across the globe If I sniffed hard enough.

plz don't sniff me, that's uncomfortable :c

[Vahlnir]

plz don't sniff me, that's uncomfortable :c

The trolls are the only ones that have anything to worry about.

[Roeshel]

Come on, SturmChurro, don’t be deliberately obtuse. It’s easy to tell when someone actually wants to have a discussion about an unpopular opinion and when someone is posting just to get people to start biting at each other’s throats. The word “troll” might be thrown around a lot but it’s extremely easy to tell if something is a bait thread when the topic is something like “Miqote and Au Ra are ugly, discuss.”

I guess sometimes it is not easy enough for some people with almost 6k posts.