[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Fukuro]

I'm guessing they did go to him for some details. They seemed to value his input in the past in regards to viera and FF XIV. I don't think the art you posted above was bad by any means as far as a concept goes, but what they went with feels more fitting, given the way that female viera is designed. In my opinion they absolutely nailed it. I saw way more people asking for what we got, though I will admit small part of me expected them to be Au Ra-esque.

well matsuno himself mentioned they are different from his vision and he was indeed asked for his input (but not when they added the males, i think it was around when the females were getting green-lighted) but he nevertheless thinks they look amazing and already stated he‘ll probably switch from female to male viera.

if anybody wonders: matsuno visioned them as having a (low fat) boxers body, he referred a character from (i think it was) a boxer manga (particularly the boxer there had lost much weight for a boxing match)

nevertheless i love how they went with the design, and seeing matsuno himself liking it makes me happy. and we still need to remember this is xiv, with it‘s own version of vieras. the females are also different in the ivalice series (more feral i‘d say) - so if we see another main line game from the ivalice series in the future, we might see a different design for the males!

[Amnmaat]

Yeah no that height range is almost as ridiculous as the au ra height discrepancy between m/f.
A full foot of height difference between the tallest male and tallest female? that is a MASSIVE no thank you from me, unless the females have their height ranges expanded too.
And once again adding yet another super tall male race (whose ears would cast shadows on the tallest roegadyn in your picture!!) pushes the selection of male racial choices to the gotta-be-tall options, where the shorter than hyur options are severely lacking.

And by your comments again, I am convinced you would be much happier pushing for improvements to Au Ra customizations than you would be by pushing for a race you don't think is big and rugged enough for you

In that new chart there's no situation where female Viera has the Au ra dimorphism


As for the "casts shadows on male Roegadyn," female Viera casts shadows on female Roegadyn, not much difference; ears are not part of the height slider measurement within the character creation. Furthermore, the tall side is the one that's suffering as its options are only world of warcraft type races; even Elezen fall into that (there's a tall elf race in world of warcraft, very lanky and weird proportions).

[Renik]

First, that fan art is by far my favorite, and the final result seems very similar, just way less muscular.

Now... what you're asking for with this height is impossible, you have been told by several people that the race height is most likely decided, and a big part of the armor has already been adjusted, you have been told so even by a designer that worked for Disney, and me a professional software developer.

They most likely have a margin to work with, and they may be able to get between 2-3 cm up and down(and that doesn't mean the can go 4-6 up, and forget the down, that's not how it works), but this is only in case they actually have a margin, knowing SE they could very well be working on the limit.

And on a side note, more bulkiness and this height difference with the escalation It would need, would be a disrespect to the lore, personally I think that their current looks and a max height that is the same as the females is perfect for a race where males and females are identical until they are close to adulthood.

I'm all for giving more customization, but this is impossible and wouldn't even look good.

[Roda]

In that new chart there's no situation where female Viera has the Au ra dimorphism


As for the "casts shadows on male Roegadyn," female Viera casts shadows on female Roegadyn, not much difference; ears are not part of the height slider measurement within the character creation. Furthermore, the tall side is the one that's suffering as its options are only world of warcraft type races; even Elezen fall into that (there's a tall elf race in world of warcraft, very lanky and weird proportions).

Uh, yeah no I said "almost" not "exactly", try not to get hung up on words that aren't there, and yes a full foot (or more) is just the same genre of ridiculous that the Au Ra have with their dimorphism. Sure it's not AS extreme, but it is still extreme. AND they would be the second other race that can't be shorter than the females at any setting of the two. (seriously wanting a gigantic slider for your claimed reason of "more options" yet every one those options on that massive slider are all "BIG TALL MAN" lmao)

And no, female viera ears are barely as high as the tallest femroe, where as yours have them about a half-head higher than the tallest roe.

And no the "tall men spectrum" is not lacking in options, they're just options that you don't think are perfect enough.

Tall options: Roegadyn, Au Ra, Hrothgar, Elezen, Highlander.
Short options: Midlander, Miqo'te
Popoto: Lalafell.

The two hyur clans should set the middle point for the racial scale spectrum (as humans are typically portrayed as the average options of different extremes and tropes) but right now they're pushed way farther to one side because of the abundance of so many different options of tall male characters.

[Amnmaat]

Uh, yeah no I said "almost" not "exactly", try not to get hung up on words that aren't there, and yes a full foot (or more) is just the same genre of ridiculous that the Au Ra have with their dimorphism. Sure it's not AS extreme, but it is still extreme. AND they would be the second other race that can't be shorter than the females at any setting of the two. (seriously wanting a gigantic slider for your claimed reason of "more options" yet every one those options on that massive slider are all "BIG TALL MAN" lmao)

And no, female viera ears are barely as high as the tallest femroe, where as yours have them about a half-head higher than the tallest roe.

And no the "tall men spectrum" is not lacking in options, they're just options that you don't think are perfect enough.

Tall options: Roegadyn, Au Ra, Hrothgar, Elezen, Highlander.
Short options: Midlander, Miqo'te
Popoto: Lalafell.

The two hyur clans should set the middle point for the racial scale spectrum (as humans are typically portrayed as the average options of different extremes and tropes) but right now they're pushed way farther to one side because of the abundance of so many different options of tall male characters.

Why do you list hrothgar as a human option and list lalafel as popoto?

On the tall side the options are extremely stereotyped (you hate the idea of female Viera being stereotyped as shorter than the males) yet you like the idea of tall males being stereotyped as orc, lizard with scales/horns, animal, and lanky/giraffe elf? That's a double standard.

As for Highlander, many here pointed out the fact that Highlander is the average height, not midlander, mindlander is in fact a short option in FFXIV. I don't know why you keep bringing up real life as if people like Au ra, Lalafel, or hrothgar exist in real life.

[Amnmaat]

First, that fan art is by far my favorite, and the final result seems very similar, just way less muscular.

Now... what you're asking for with this height is impossible, you have been told by several people that the race height is most likely decided, and a big part of the armor has already been adjusted, you have been told so even by a designer that worked for Disney, and me a professional software developer.

They most likely have a margin to work with, and they may be able to get between 2-3 cm up and down(and that doesn't mean the can go 4-6 up, and forget the down, that's not how it works), but this is only in case they actually have a margin, knowing SE they could very well be working on the limit.

And on a side note, more bulkiness and this height difference with the escalation It would need, would be a disrespect to the lore, personally I think that their current looks and a max height that is the same as the females is perfect for a race where males and females are identical until they are close to adulthood.

I'm all for giving more customization, but this is impossible and wouldn't even look good.

The female Roegadyn Slider covers both the short and the tall side of the male height chart.
As for the phd regarding FFXIV's 3D art, I've worked pretty extensively with 3D tools, as well having a pretty good understanding of XIV's engine from what I've seen in the modding community. Max and min height numbers do not affect gear as long as the height numbers aren't higher than what you see with female Roegadyn. XIV's engine scales the height you select to the mount automatically. There's none of this extra work you seem to be referring to, disney art is not the same as a game engine, 2 very different worlds altogether.

Moreover, where are you getting these sources that they finalized Male Viera features like scars, height max/min, tattoos, and the like? Theorizing doesn't make it a source. There's no indication anywhere (until a benchmark comes out) that they decided on Male Viera's features such as the height slider.

[AngeliouxRein]

I didn’t read the whole thread but has anyone compared their tall character’s knees to that same bed? In game, I was in alliance and people were talking about how (some) think male viera might be the same height of hyur or male Miqo’te ... based on their knees. Just curious if there’s an difference for taller characters.

[Iscah]

Moreover, where are you getting these sources that they finalized Male Viera features like scars, height max/min, tattoos, and the like?

I agree with you that scaling a character up and down isn't going to affect how armour fits (or we might not have a height setting at all) but setting the character's height range is going to be far more integral to the design process than "surface details" like scars and tattoos.

Height needs to be decided so the character's proportions can be set. They can't just set out designing the character at whatever shape they like and hope that later on they'll look alright when placed next to the other races.

At your example height scale, Viera already look wrong next to Elezen - or rather all the things that people think are wrong about Elezen designs look twice as wrong, where currently they get away with it because they are taller stretched-out versions of humans.

It's maybe possible as the meeting point between very tall Viera and short Elezen, as it is now for Highlanders and Elezen, but not to make them the same height range AND have Viera maxing out as the taller of the two.

When you started off saying they have a short option now and they should also be tall, I thought you'd assumed they were something short like Miqo'te in the form we'd seen. But if you were in fact interpreting them to be Elezen height and needing to be taller still? Yeah, nah. Something around the female height range is far more plausible. And still entirely the dev team's business.

[HeyMcFly]

I just want new viera hairstyles and hats

[Sophie_Lo]

He equated their appearance to Male Elezen and said he would want to stay away from a miqote-like appearance.

Appearance. Not height.