[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Hunky]

Even if male viera were slightly shorter at max, that's still like 6'1, 6'2. That's pretty much PERFECT height for a man. Tall, but not too tall.

I'd be quite satisfied with that height, if they were to be on par with female even better. I don't think they need to be taller than female viera, when female viera at max are already a good height. SE looks to have struck a good balance here, looking at the more recent comparisons.

Yes, 6'1" is a great height in real life, but 6'1" is not tall in this game.

We have to realize that real-life height doesn't equate to in-game height.

Male Midlanders can go up to 5'11", and while that's a good height in real life, it's short in this game. There are many other races that go well over 6'1", such as Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen. Even the tallest Midlander would seem short by comparison. So while a 6'1" male Viera would sound dreamy in real life, he would be much shorter by this game's standards.

Look at this chart.



If max height male Viera turn out to be the same size as male Midlander or similar, they wouldn't count as a tall race. They would be another short male race.

[_Koneko_]

Yes, 6'1" is a great height in real life, but 6'1" is not tall in this game.

We have to realize that real-life height doesn't equate to in-game height.

Male Midlanders can go up to 5'11", and while that's a good height in real life, it's short in this game. There are many other races that go well over 6'1", such as Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen. Even the tallest Midlander would seem short by comparison. So while a 6'1" male Viera would sound dreamy in real life, he would be much shorter by this game's standards.

Look at this chart.



If max height male Viera turn out to be the same size as male Midlander or similar, they wouldn't count as a tall race. They would be another short male race.

which is perfectly fine

[Hunky]

which is perfectly fine

Right, and this is the area of contention:

Some of us, like myself, have been wanting to play a tall male character with a "pretty boy, anime protagonist" look. Most tall male options right now are very far from that. Male Viera presents an opportunity for us who want that tall, pretty male race that isn't Elezen.

There's nothing innately wrong with short male races. I think male Midlanders and male Miqo'te are great in their own way.

But why force male Viera to be so short when they can be proportional to the females? The two shortest male races (after Lalafell) are already immensely popular.

If male Viera turn out to be proportional to the females, then they would be between male Highlander and male Elezen in terms of height. I predict this because female Viera height is between female highlander and female Elezen.

As you can see, that's not crazy tall. They wouldn't be anywhere as big as male Roegadyn or male Au Ra, meaning that a minimum height male Viera could be capable of being a good short height too for those wanting to play a shorter male. Of course you'd still be taller than a male Midlander and Miqo'te, but that's to be expected because you're playing Viera.

What made female Viera a great addition to the races is that they provided players another tall girl option. So for people who wanted a tall female character but didn't like the female Elezen or Roegadyn proportions/features, female Viera is another option. And yeah, female Viera didn't turn out to be as popular as female Miqo'te or female Au Ra (especially on Japanese servers), but they definitely helped diversify the population. Now we see taller girls running around to balance out the huge female Miqo'te and female Au Ra population.

And just like how Miqo'te and Au Ra are the most popular races for females, Midlander and Miqo'te are the most popular for males (the two shortest males after Lalafell).

People make the argument that making male Viera short would be new and interesting, but I disagree.

I feel that making male Viera short would simply be a repeat of what happened to female Au Ra.

It would be more interesting and creative to have a tall male handsome race, because right now all we have is Elezen. All the other tall male races are bulky, bestial, or covered with scales and horns.

I understand that a lot of players like playing short races. That's why half of the playerbase either plays female Miqo'te, female Au Ra, male Miqo'te, or Male Midlander. Check the census for each server. It's true.

But not all of us want to play short. Some of us want to play tall characters (and tall pretty characters at that). So when a potentially tall race is revealed, it's exciting.

That's why all those threads that popped up after female Viera were released asking for them to be made shorter were frustrating. It's like "we finally got a beautiful and elegant tall girl race" and now people want to take it and make it short because they want Miqo'te with bunny ears. And that's what I feel is happening to male Viera.

Granted, male Viera have never been revealed until now, but looking at past evidence; like Yoshi's comment about male Viera being similar in build to male Elezen, and the concept art, it's clear that male Viera were designed to be on the taller side. So when people say, "Male Viera should be short and if you don't want them to be short you're insecure, etc" it feels extremely unfair.

Like I said, I just wanna be able to play a handsome tall male race that isn't Elezen. And I'm sure a lot of others feel that way too.

[SturmChurro]

Yes, 6'1" is a great height in real life, but 6'1" is not tall in this game.

We have to realize that real-life height doesn't equate to in-game height.

Male Midlanders can go up to 5'11", and while that's a good height in real life, it's short in this game. There are many other races that go well over 6'1", such as Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen. Even the tallest Midlander would seem short by comparison. So while a 6'1" male Viera would sound dreamy in real life, he would be much shorter by this game's standards.

Look at this chart.



If max height male Viera turn out to be the same size as male Midlander or similar, they wouldn't count as a tall race. They would be another short male race.

Midlander are the average, both male and female. Roe and Au Ra are outliers, elezen would be tall. This chart should look more like this (my edit):



If we are going to argue "representation", short males are actually the ones who are underrepresented in this game.


Count max height Elezen as "the outlier", missed that in my edit.

[Hunky]

Midlander are the average, both male and female. Roe and Au Ra are outliers, elezen would be tall. This chart should look more like this (my edit):



If we are going to argue "representation", short males are actually the ones who are underrepresented in this game.

But male Miqo'te and male Midlander are the two most played male races. Check the census for any given server. They may be the two shortest male races after Lalafell, but they are by far the most popular of the males.

Just like how female Au Ra and female Miqo'te, also the two shortest female races after Lalafell, are the most popular.

If you look at the female version of that chart, you'll notice that most female races are actually on the taller side too. And yet the two shortest ones are the most popular. We see tons of Au Ra and Miqo'te girls, but very few of the rest.

So while the four most popular race choices (male Midlander, male and female Miqo'te, and female Au Ra) may be outsized by the majority of the other races, they are by no means underrepresented by the playerbase. They are overrepresented actually.

If they made male Viera short, we'd see a lot of similarly built male characters. Male Viera at that point would be Miqo'te with bunny ears, just like how people pointed out that female Au Ra was Miqo'te with lizard horns and scales.

[HollowedDoll]

But male Miqo'te and male Midlander are the two most played male races. Check the census for any given server. They may be the two shortest male races after Lalafell, but they are by far the most popular of the males.

Just like how female Au Ra and female Miqo'te, also the two shortest female races after Lalafell, are the most popular.

If they made male Viera short, we'd see a lot of similarly built male characters. Male Viera at that point would be Miqo'te with bunny ears, just like how people pointed out that female Au Ra was Miqo'te with lizard horns and scales.

The irony is that Yugiri in ARR was a Miqote technically, I wonder if that's why they didn't bother with the actual design they had in plans.

[SturmChurro]

But male Miqo'te and male Midlander are the two most played male races. Check the census for any given server. They may be the two shortest male races after Lalafell, but they are by far the most popular of the males.

Just like how female Au Ra and female Miqo'te, also the two shortest female races after Lalafell, are the most popular.

If they made male Viera short, we'd see a lot of similarly built male characters. Male Viera at that point would be Miqo'te with bunny ears, just like how people pointed out that female Au Ra was Miqo'te with lizard horns and scales.

Now, if we want to argue the playerbase analytics, Male viera even being a couple inches shorter than a female, would still be considered "tall", or "very tall" then in comparison to the majority of the playerbase. At max height.

[Gwenorai]

Midlander are the average, both male and female. Roe and Au Ra are outliers, elezen would be tall. This chart should look more like this (my edit):



If we are going to argue "representation", short males are actually the ones who are underrepresented in this game.


Count max height Elezen as "the outlier", missed that in my edit.

This is true regarding short males. Though putting male Viera into that category seems like a waste unless there's simply a very broad height scale. Can't have them be too close to Miqo'te, seems a lot more likely they'll be in the centre. Also, I know guys want to be tall and all that. But if folks are put off that the females may be taller, I really wish you wouldn't be. Honestly, I rarely see max height females in this game. Folks have this weird obsession making them tiny af.

[HollowedDoll]

but get this... if they're both the same scale you get to be both shorter or taller depending on YOUR taste, yes that's right YOURS.

personally I don't see how it really matters how other races are related to them, they're different species.

[Hunky]

Now, if we want to argue the playerbase analytics, Male viera even being a couple inches shorter than a female, would still be considered "tall", or "very tall" then in comparison to the majority of the playerbase. At max height.

Right, and that's very telling of how the character population looks like. Very few players play the tall races.

Tall male Viera could help draw in more players to play a taller race, just like how female Viera did.

But if you make them the same size as male Midlander or Miqo'te, then it defeats the purpose.

I'm not against a wide range slider like female Roegadyn.

And I'm not asking for them to be huge like male Au Ra.

I just don't want them to be so short that they blend in with male Midlander and male Miqo'te and you can no longer tell the difference.