I don't understand why they don't want more races

[DamianFatale]

More races = $$$. It's not rocket science that mmos do this to increase sales. I get why they struggle with making them, but I still don't get why they outright refuse. There's still niches that aren't fulfilled in FFXIV.

We don't have another small race. Lalafells are all alone. A small rival to go with the Lalafells would be welcome.

We're also missing Lupin, but I guess with the lack of females being seen, I could see that rabbit hole repeating the Viera and Hrothgar situation. Still, It is such a shame they won't want to add at least a few more down the line. The race ideas we have left are incredibly unique and cool. Baanga would be amazing even if they are an incredibly difficult thing to implement.

[ItMe]

It's not that they don't want more races, but that rigging gear for another set of models is intensive, and going back through all the existing gear that's amassed over the years and remodeling every piece for the new race is just... I'm amazed they're still tackling that with male Viera and female hrothgar TBH.
It's not that they don't want them, but ho boy is it a prohibitive amount of work...

[zeylos]

More races = $$$. It's not rocket science that mmos do this to increase sales. I get why they struggle with making them, but I still don't get why they outright refuse. There's still niches that aren't fulfilled in FFXIV.

We don't have another small race. Lalafells are all alone. A small rival to go with the Lalafells would be welcome.

We're also missing Lupin, but I guess with the lack of females being seen, I could see that rabbit hole repeating the Viera and Hrothgar situation. Still, It is such a shame they won't want to add at least a few more down the line. The race ideas we have left are incredibly unique and cool. Baanga would be amazing even if they are an incredibly difficult thing to implement.

I dont think its that they dont 'want' any more races, in fact I think that if the game is going for 10 more years they will look into the possiblity with an engine rework or smth, but rn its basically impossible for them to do so without breaking their budget or removing half of the gear they add in every patch, plus they have added male viera but female hrotgar are yet to come, I'd say they likely want to release them and finish polishing them up before even thinking about new races. If they did add new ones, I do agree another small race (ivalician moogles for example) would make a ton of sense.

[lezard21]

More races = $$$.

I am extremely curious how you got to this conclusion. Did you calculate the influx of new players between SB and ShB and calculate how many of them played as Viera/Hrothgar? Did you calculate how many players bought Fantasia to change into Viera/Hrothgar? Cause the census that were released a while back show that both Hrothgar and Viera are 2nd lowest population, only higher that Roegadyns, so I fail to see how there's money where the numbers aren't

[Absurdity]

It's not that they don't want more races, but that rigging gear for another set of models is intensive, and going back through all the existing gear that's amassed over the years and remodeling every piece for the new race is just...

Can we please stop with this damn misconception that they'll have to make all the existing gear fit the new races? The last 2 races they added, Hrothgar and Viera use the male Roegadyn body and female Midlander body respectively, they had to do ABSOLUTELY NO EXTRA WORK for the gear, the racial differences are simply achieved by bone scaling.

When they make a chestpiece for female characters for example they do not have to make one for every single race. They all, with the exception of Lalafell, use the female midlander body, so they have to make exactly 2 of that chestpiece for female characters, one for potatos and one for literally everyone else. Granted for male characters they have a few more, midlander, highlander and roegadyn, every other race uses one of those 3 bodies.

Lalafell is a bit of an exception because sometimes the armor is the exact same model for both male and female and sometimes it is not.

The extra work they do have with every new race is voices, character customization, race/gender specific emotes, and the walking, running, sprinting, etc animations and I'm not gonna claim that this is easy work, but it is certainly less work than remaking every armorpiece in the game.

[DamianFatale]

I am extremely curious how you got to this conclusion. Did you calculate the influx of new players between SB and ShB and calculate how many of them played as Viera/Hrothgar? Did you calculate how many players bought Fantasia to change into Viera/Hrothgar? Cause the census that were released a while back show that both Hrothgar and Viera are 2nd lowest population, only higher that Roegadyns, so I fail to see how there's money where the numbers aren't

It's been known since the early 2000s. Races in mmos sell really well.

[lezard21]

It's been known since the early 2000s. Races in mmos sell really well.

Can you link this study?

Can we please stop with this damn misconception that they'll have to make all the existing gear fit the new races? The last 2 races they added, Hrothgar and Viera use the male Roegadyn body and female Midlander body respectively, they had to do ABSOLUTELY NO EXTRA WORK for the gear, the racial differences are simply achieved by bone scaling.

When they make a chestpiece for female characters for example they do not have to make one for every single race. They all, with the exception of Lalafell, use the female midlander body, so they have to make exactly 2 of that chestpiece for female characters, one for potatos and one for literally everyone else.

The extra work they do have with every new race is voices, character customization, race/gender specific emotes, and the walking, running, sprinting, etc animations and I'm not gonna claim that this is easy work, but it is certainly less work than remaking every armorpiece in the game.

Yep, this is entirely true. The only gear they'd had to refit would be headpieces and well...they didn't.

[ItMe]

The last 2 races they added, Hrothgar and Viera use the male Roegadyn body and female Midlander body respectively, they had to do ABSOLUTELY NO EXTRA WORK for the gear, the racial differences are simply achieved by bone scaling.

And... the gear doesn't need to be changed at all to fit over a different set of bones???
They're not making a new piece of armor, no. They're changing the ways it's able to stretch and move so it's able to be shaped to the models properly because the way FF14 does gear when you wear boots, for example, your feet disappear and are replaced by the boots fitting over your models bones.

I never said remaking. Thay was your word.
I said remodeling.

[Rasler_Heios]

Can we please stop with this damn misconception that they'll have to make all the existing gear fit the new races? The last 2 races they added, Hrothgar and Viera use the male Roegadyn body and female Midlander body respectively, they had to do ABSOLUTELY NO EXTRA WORK for the gear, the racial differences are simply achieved by bone scaling.

When they make a chestpiece for female characters for example they do not have to make one for every single race. They all, with the exception of Lalafell, use the female midlander body, so they have to make exactly 2 of that chestpiece for female characters, one for potatos and one for literally everyone else.

The extra work they do have with every new race is voices, character customization, race/gender specific emotes, and the walking, running, sprinting, etc animations and I'm not gonna claim that this is easy work, but it is certainly less work than remaking every armorpiece in the game.

Nice of you to know how the inner workings of the development do their work. So you saying they just used the other races to create gear and don't check each one of them afterwards for like say quality checking? I think the development team mentioned this process in a previous fan festival.

[lezard21]

And... the gear doesn't need to be changed at all to fit over a different set of bones???

Nope, they don't. Same body, same rigging.

Nice of you to know how the inner workings of the development do their work. So you saying they just used the other races to create gear and don't check each one of them afterwards for like say quality checking? I think the development team mentioned this process in a previous fan festival.

I will strongly doubt that. The easiest example for this is to check how the Summer Indigo Shirt unbuttoned segment shoots outwards on Hrothgar due to their default stance.

They're changing the ways it's able to stretch and move so it's able to be shaped to the models properly

Nope they aren't. Again, see Hrothgar's Summer Indigo Shirt