Please do not ruin summoner! I heard that summons are being removed

[MoltresRider]

I am being told by multiple streamers that summoner is getting a rework and Bahamut and Phoenix are going to be removed from summoner.

Please do NOT remove those from summoner. Currently, those are the backbone of summoner. I absolutely love the summoner Bahamut and Phoenix and it would totally suck for those were to be removed. What is the point of summoner without these summons?

I main summoner and played through the entire game as summoner. I was really looking forward to be getting phoenix all throughout the game and was excited when I was able to start using her. Now I am worried because I hear that Phoenix and Bahamut are going to be removed.

Not only that, now I am going to have to entirely relearn summoner after 6.0.


DJDogba Gaming told me that there are multiple summoner mains who are pissed about that. Me included. He mentioned one streamer who spent 20 minutes complaining because he mains summoner and hates the fact that they are removing these things from summoner.


If you remove anything, most summoners would rather have the Egis removed, NOT Bahamut or Phoenix. I put a poll up online and 97.3% agree as of 3 PM EDT



I was told that Square Enix listens to the fans, but obviously they are NOT listening to all the summoner main's cries out there since this news spread.

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

I am going to wait to see what happens and what, "Summoner is at the breaking point.." means or if it is just a miss-translation, if it relates to the crunch they are doing to the damage on all jobs but I am nervous!

[Anhra]

SMN does get a rework, probably even from the ground up, but there hasn't been any details on it leaked yet since it is far too early for that.
I expect it to happen along with 6.0 which would mean that any details about it will happen by the time Squeenix uploads their "job showcase trailer" which usually shows arround one or two months before release.

Also, don't believe anything people tell you on the internet, take it as you will.

[Exodus-E]

Mr.Happy's e-mail interview suggested that there would be major reworks coming for it.
It didn't necessarily mean that the pets themselves would be removed, although most people thought as much (it's just supposition at this point).

Thus, we shall see in the coming months what they're actually planning for it.

Personally, as long as Egis themselves remain (not necessarily as pets), then I'll be satisfied.
Especially if Egi glamours are still in the cards.

[MoltresRider]

I am going to wait to see what happens and what, "Summoner is at the breaking point.." means or if it is just a miss-translation, if it relates to the crunch they are doing to the damage on all jobs but I am nervous!

People who complain summoner is broken, are not those who played the ENTIRE game as summoner. You just got to learn to use it properly

Personally, as long as Egis themselves remain (not necessarily as pets), then I'll be satisfied.
Especially if Egi glamours are still in the cards.

I am the other way around. I would rather have the big summons. Bahamut and Phoenix look so cool. I would gladly trade in my Egis for more DPS from Bahamut and Phoenix and also summoner spells

[Dyvid]

I am the other way around. I would rather have the big summons. Bahamut and Phoenix look so cool. I would gladly trade in my Egis for more DPS from Bahamut and Phoenix and also summoner spells

What if they finally overhaul Egi to be bigger (Hume Highlander) and more impressive?

[juicybug]

That'd be dope af. Like Ifrit as an actual Hellhound, Garuda as a winged hawk-woman much like her smaller adds, and - well forget titan, or make titan a cone based DPS summon and looking like a proper golem because at this rate there is never use of one during any high level combat, which makes it obsolete.

[Raikai]

People who complain summoner is broken, are not those who played the ENTIRE game as summoner. You just got to learn to use it properly

Maybe they don't play it because they feel it's "broken" to begin with?

But broken is not the right word... I'd say clunky is the best way to describe. But then, even the notion of "clunkiness" can vary from person to person.

I mained SMN pre ShB, and was really excited to see the Demi-Phoenix added in the job action reveal... But in practice, the job's rotations, actions feel disconnected, disorganized... It's even a struggle to set the keybinds in a way that it makes sense with muscle memory. And then there's the whole situation about ghosting and the weird demi-Enkindle movement thing, those just add up to the convoluted playstyle.

The idea of 2 trance cycles with downtime between them actually sounds great in theory... And maybe it would be amazing for a job created from the ground, but they inserted that in a structure that was already too busy to begin with.

But again, that's my personal impression. Despite what I think about Egis, I don't know if they are going to be removed or not, but given the hints on Mr. Happy' interview, it's heavily hinted that they won't work or be presented as they are now if they stay. The fact that they had to stop developing a cosmetic system in lieau of an alleged "breaking point" possibly means that they don't want to make something for a system that is bound to change.

[Grimoire-M]

Leveled SMN to cap in ARR (as I wanted to learn it and SCH, but I had a worse computer so I didn't feel comfortable using it as a main), eagerly started to main it in HW once I figured out how to abuse DWT. Loved how it played in that expansion, but wound up hating it vehemently and playing it regardless in Stormblood (swapped to bard a lot and hated that for Stormblood Bard-specific reasons. My static went through a lot of weird swaps but we cleared everything with Triple Caster + SAM). Kept it as a main because liked where it landed at Shadowbringers launch. Feel it doesn't take much to fix from where it is now.

Yoshi-P saying that "Summoner's mechanics are reaching a breaking point" implies to me that they're going to do something between a button trim/merge down and a full rework in Endwalker. They also confirmed they've postponed Egi Glamour to fix pets, and that the Avatar System they used for Reaper will NOT be used for Summoner at all. That does NOT mean they are removing pets. It does mean they're focusing on them specifically.

I've got a lot of recent posts going over what's wrong but suffice it to say, current summoner works. The changes it needs now when compared to how god awful it's been in the past are not even in the same league. We all want Egi to improve, so if they're finally focusing their attention there then we're likely to see the glow up they deserve soon.

Just don't bring back SB Bahamut and we're golden.

[SweetPete]

It’s okay OP. I don’t think they removing Bahamut and Phoenix. I do believe Summoner is getting a major rework though. The job hasn’t been in a good place for years. It’s very clunky and all over the place. Summoner has an identity crisis and I hope after this rework we will finally know what summoner is in ffxiv.