Where is your personal sacrifice threshold?

[Atmaweapon510]

There's a lot of rage in this thread.

I've never personally experienced that threshold. The only time I don't res is when I know that person is afk and won't accept and when I don't have enough resources at the moment. I don't know what all you people are encountering but no one is purposefully that bad and there are plenty of mechanics that aren't telegraphed well for a first time through.

What I *do* know from playing dps in alliance raids is that a lot of second time deaths is from healers who have no concept of triage and don't bother healing people they've just raised.

[Almagnus1]

As a counterpoint to this... sometimes you just need to do what you have to do to prevent a raid wipe... even if it means sucking it up and chainrezzing and healing another group. For example, last night in Puppet's Bunker at the Superior Flight Unit trio fight, one of the tanks in another group DC'd in the fight and it took out almost all of the remaining group. I figured my co-healer would be able to carry the healing in our group, so ran over, started rezzing and healing the group until the healers were able to carry the load again. The rest of the raid focused on taking out the two units with a full group then focused in on the last one. Not fun, but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to beat the encounter.

That said, there was another group fight where one of the DPS was trash-talking the co-healer because they weren't doing whatever the DPS thought they should do, then proceeded to initiate a group kick against my co-healer... which thankfully failed. Needless to say, when we got to the final boss and that loudmouthed DPS got murdered by the mechanics, both myself and the co-healer left them dead. I know it's petty... but don't piss off your healers.

[Kazukiyashuo]

Here's the scenario: You've rolled into a roulette. You don't know any of these people. This isn't some serious power-gamer environment where every living body counts. Where do you personally draw the line in your health-keeping duties? At what point does "I've failed as a healer" turn into "you deserved that, dude"?

For me personally it's a combination of two main factors. Vulnerability stacks is loosely one of them. I'd say 1-2 stacks is generally something I'd heal through. I start getting annoyed at 3, and 4 or more if they get slammed by something I'm less likely to consider the death my fault. The other more important factor is where it looks like those stacks are coming from. If it seems like the person is derping out or doesn't know mechanics, that's one thing. If they're clearly just standing in something repeatedly because they expect me to keep them up no matter what they do, that's where I get vindictive. At that point it goes beyond whether I consider it my job to keep them alive or not; if someone clearly expects to forego the bare minimum of effort in order to force me to carry the job of paying attention to this dungeon/trial/whatever, then I'll toss a pity heal out on occasion, but I'm not going to shed any tears if my next heal is a Raise.

Pull up a chair everyone. Let's bring out these selfless martyrs who'll heal through the dreaded 8-stack vulnerability in a guildhest. The wicked witch healers who cruelly kill their parties for fun. When do you let 'em die?

I let ppl die when i kindly explained mechanics and they are doing the same thing again and again. I also let tanks that pull wall to wall especially when they are lvling with trash gear and they are not using their defensive cooldowns

[IceBlueNinja]

In regards to me it is all of the situation, If someone is new to something I am totally forgiving, if I have the mp to raise I will raise said person BUT, the time I become stubborn or to heal or res anyone can be

1 = dps who have the nerves to tell you to heal/shield regen when you are not even close by when the others in the team did got those heal/shields/regens, how about melee dps yall stop being so uptime hungry and eating all those avoidable damage, or blms especially why you all the way across from the map where I cant hit with heal, am not going to chase you down to try to heal you where you can just aetheral to me instantly to get the heal. Lastly people who run their tetters to you or others to get you or others wiped, or tanks who gets you or others cleaved.

2 = green dps bots, my favorite here and I know alot hates when I throw this one out, but really I have many a times do tests with some co healers who again 90% or 100% dps and never helps to res or heal a hurt person, ofc I then panic and decide to sling a heal on injured person or party even if you claim I left my co healer with nothing to heal with when they apparently is making a 10% to 0% attempt of doing it, not one shield/regen, can you blame me? I dont over heal or over dps I balance it. Sometimes it seem to me if I do not hit a heal/shield my co worker will never do it or just when they decide to heal someone whos hurt or tank who about to be tb and am already in the middle of picking up or healing someone else that bene was like 1 mere sec let as you see the heal number but tank/dsp tell drop. Finally IF I do pick up the co healer and they dont even heal themselves they start auto dpsing again and dies again. Uh this make it be where I do not feel to res them

3= No one is perfect but if I mark myself to help you to avoidable things or tell you not to do certain things and you seem to be doing it on purpose umm yeah but honestly this is a 50/50 cause I know even if you mark yourself ps4/pc are total different things so ps4 members may believe they was next to you but base on server tick they actually was not on your end so base on what it is I can forgive or not forgive. Not forgive will be seeing someone with gear , no sprout etc and you see them getting wipe by old common sense thing my fav old good sycus tower with the earth quake 1 hit move the i gear 500+ dieing to it or grand cosmos* do not burn furniture if you got a red flame yet here you go and burn up about 3 of it and find it funny(which is what this rdm did) literally stood in area and got 3 things roasted.

[Flay_wind]

Depends on how much i have been playing as a healer lately. =)
So, after a break from healing there's no threshold. After say a week of healing it goes "You stand in orange? Eat vuln stacks? Well, too bad. I'll rez you once Swift is off CD"

[Vyrerus]

Basically I'll drag anyone across the finish line unless they decided to be rude jerks. I've had very few occasions to be petty about healing and keeping people up. Struggling to think of one, honestly.

Guess my limit for raising someone though is if they die three times in a row while never staying alive long enough to get rid of weakness. Doesn't happen often, but at that point I feel like my MP is better served just dealing damage than trying to let them half-ass play.

I don't heal players who afk or play ranged that just enter boss fights and drop down to auto attacks/one GCD every 10s or so. I figure they're either super lazy or bots, cause I knew a lot of BRDs bragging that they just sorta AFK mostly in dungeons cause no one notices. I NOTICE. I'll even stop AOE healing just so players like that can die.

I don't play healer super often though.

[Anhra]

I only stick to the golden rules of MMO's, if someone plays bad and ends up dying, i usually get some laughs out of it but that's it for me. Said Rules are as follows:

1: If the Healer dies, it is the Tanks fault.
2: If the Tank dies, it is the Healers fault.
3: If the DD dies, it is their own fault.
4: You Pull, You Tank.
5: Pay only attention to People's HP below 50% as a Healer, not before.
6: I don't res you in Dungeon content if i know we can beat the remaining 40% or lower without your aid.
7: There is no exceptions to Rule 1 to 4.

[Almagnus1]

2: If the Tank dies, it is the Healers fault.

Yeah... some of the DF tanks are so badly undergeared where they will pull wall to wall and die faster than you can react. It's not the healer's fault when ego does something that requires better gear and the tank dies from their own stupidity. Aurum Vale and Bardam's Mettle have proven this point more times than we really want to admit.

[Shurrikhan]

7: There is no exceptions to Rule 1 to 4.

"Ahh, there's our primary point of failure."
- Engineer

1. A healer dying, as with any other role, can completely be their own fault.
2. Though more prevalent previously, a tank dying could absolutely be the fault of the DPS, or simply of insufficient mitigation.
3. Finally, when the healer refuses to heal through consecutive unavoidable raid damage, the total of which well exceeds any DPS's effective HP even when accounting for Bloodbath, Second Wind, and the like, that is indeed the healer's fault.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

When the conversation suddenly steps into DPSes and tanks roles as well, it reminds me of this chart


Obviously, ignore the very last box lmao.