Where is your personal sacrifice threshold?

[Liam_Harper]

I don't know the person. They might be having an off day, they might be new, there could be any number of reasons to explain why they keep ending up as paste.

I agree with this. I mean, I've been on that side myself sometimes where I've started out in a new instance dying so much I feel guilty taking a Raise at all, but 3-4 runs later I'm running it flawlessly. Or I might know a run inside out, but slip up then get rez disorientation and die 3 times in a row. Sure, there's a chance someone might never learn no matter how much you Raise them but I'll take that risk if there's a chance I'm pulling a decent player off the floor who's just having an off day or first run.

[Kabooa]

I agree with this. I mean, I've been on that side myself sometimes where I've started out in a new instance dying so much I feel guilty taking a Raise at all, but 3-4 runs later I'm running it flawlessly. Or I might know a run inside out, but slip up then get rez disorientation and die 3 times in a row. Sure, there's a chance someone might never learn no matter how much you Raise them but I'll take that risk if there's a chance I'm pulling a decent player off the floor who's just having an off day or first run.

That's how I know you're quality, chief.

[Crushnight]

My general rules are simple

Try your hardest, will raise as mp/fight will allow

Waste my resources e.g. moving outta my bubbles for no reason Excog and you Clemency spam yourself never proccing it, hope you can keep yourself alive I'm going to just Dps until raidwides

Purposefully getting vuln stacks just to make me heal more, eat the floor until fight is over or forced to have you up due to mechanic

If under lv 60 "Protect the precious" giving advice where applicable

If above lv 60 *cracks knuckles "right you miserable lot" advice being more firm getting the point across you need to have learned x type of mechanic by now(e.g stack markers).

No dps healers or only dps healers are bottom of the priority for raising as Rdm, Smn and Blu.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

This is honestly what I've been thinking, are these people really dealing with bad players in such frequency that they have entire systems and rules set in place for deciding if they want to res people? TBH most of the time I don't even think when I res, I see a bar hit zero, if i have swiftcast I pick them up, if I don't have swiftcast, I wait til it comes back then pick them up.

Except you and most of us actually do (the bolded part, for instance). Swift’ed or hardcasted: losing 1 GCD in addition to the dead player’s contribution depending on how long your swift is cooling down vs 4 GCD without guaranteed 0 interruption (i.e having to cancel after 5s of cast).

Raising is expensive & wears off MP real quick when multiples raises are needed within a short period amount of time. Running OOM means the healer are almost as good as floor tanks because they can’t do anything but wait for MP regen or Lucid Dreaming.

That being said, such situation is not terribly common. It CAN happen when you are paired with more than just one poorly performing players. (Frankly speaking, such chaos can be fun to deal with. We thrives under stress lol)

[Brandedblade]

Except you and most of us actually do (the bolded part, for instance). Swift’ed or hardcasted: losing 1 GCD in addition to the dead player’s contribution depending on how long your swift is cooling down vs 4 GCD without guaranteed 0 interruption (i.e having to cancel after 5s of cast).

Raising is expensive & wears off MP real quick when multiples raises are needed within a short period amount of time. Running OOM means the healer are almost as good as floor tanks because they can’t do anything but wait for MP regen or Lucid Dreaming.

That being said, such situation is not terribly common. It CAN happen when you are paired with more than just one poorly performing players. (Frankly speaking, such chaos can be fun to deal with. We thrives under stress lol)

Even so, that's not a big convoluted system of "oh the player is so bad that I watch their every move to determine whether or not they are worthy of my precious res." It's either "I get you up now, or I get you up in a second." I'm not going to leave someone on the ground just because I deem them unworthy or something like that.

[Semirhage]

Even so, that's not a big convoluted system of "oh the player is so bad that I watch their every move to determine whether or not they are worthy of my precious res." It's either "I get you up now, or I get you up in a second." I'm not going to leave someone on the ground just because I deem them unworthy or something like that.

The point of the OP wasn't "leave the peasant dead vs waste my wonderful mana on them", it was "where do you no longer personally consider a death your fault". After that comes things like MP left, keeping the remaining party alive, whether swift is up, etc.

[elioaiko]

You lose one if any of the following happens

I just wanna let you know. That whole list spoke to me on a level that I can't even describe. I mean the whole thing about Thundergod Cid? Everytime.

And also agree on the demands of healbotting. If you can tell me that I don't pay your sub, you don't tell me how to heal, especially if you're the one with the brink of death tag.

[Bravely_Default]

There comes a point where you have to determine if raising that player is a liability to keeping the rest of the party alive. surprisingly I have only had it happen a couple times where somebody died so many times (4 times in the same fight) that it started to chip my MP, but I still got them up anyway since even if they are doing half tank dps it's still a bigger gain than if they were dead on the floor. If the time comes though where my resources are going to dip low then they better hope somebody else takes pity on them because the overall party comes first.

[XiXiQ]

I will generally keep everyone up if possible for one reason.... dead ppl do zero dps.

[TaleraRistain]

Seeing these lists and point systems just has me going O_O

If swiftcast is up and I'm not low on MP, I raise them. If it's not, then they wait. If the boss is close to dead then they'll probably stay on the floor. If they've died a lot, meh. They still get raised once swiftcast is available unless they tell me to leave them down. Takes me like a second.

If they need healing, then I'll heal them. I don't care if they stood in things or didn't avoid this or that. I don't care how many vuln stacks they got. Honestly a lot of the time I consider it a challenge of my healing abilities that I can keep them alive.

The only thing I won't do is chase people. If you're nearby, there's no reason for me not to heal you. I don't have my ego in my healing. I do the role I queued up for.

I don't normally withhold heals from people who are being jerks. I initiate a vote kick.