Job overhaul expectations for Endwalker

[Bright-Flower]

Still boggles my mind Repose became a role action just for that single quest. If it was at least an aoe effect like BLM's Sleep it'd be worth something, but as is it's barely any better than Fluid Aura.

Yeah. I mean I could maybe understand it as a caster role action, casters are squishy and often have to deal with cast times, though they have varying degrees of being able to mitigate that. So I could maybe see it at least being useful for solo questing if you accidentally agro something extra etc. But then you're a healer and can probably easily just heal through that anyway.

Maybe they just kept it around for the sake of padding healer role actions?

[Katie_Kitty]

DPS need to lose Feint (physical), Addle (Magical), and Tactician/Troubador/Shield Samba (Overall mitigation) and and be given to healers as role abilities in Protect, Shell, and Bravery. DPS hardly ever use those abilities to begin with.

Well now this just simply isn't true.. Those tools get used all the time.

[ItMe]

DPS need to lose Feint (physical), Addle (Magical), and Tactician/Troubador/Shield Samba (Overall mitigation) and and be given to healers as role abilities in Protect, Shell, and Bravery. DPS hardly ever use those abilities to begin with.

*Bad DPS hardly ever use those abilities to begin with.

[Deceptus]

*Bad DPS hardly ever use those abilities to begin with.

While true, most DPS say "It doesn't increase my dps, therefore it's irrelevant"

[Fland]

While true, most DPS say "It doesn't increase my dps, therefore it's irrelevant"

They're OGCDs that don't make you lose your DPS, so those people are just lazy.

[Raikai]

*Bad DPS hardly ever use those abilities to begin with.

That person must have been thinking about normal content, where those are irrelevant unless you have really poor healers. I love those abilities tbh

[StormyFae]

Idk but i want https://youtu.be/hPhXqKCrGN0
Game play for dark knight and
Castlevania death for the mele dps

[Provoke]

Paladin needs more mitigation.

[AlexWard]

Archer/Bard major changes I want to see in Endwalker:
1. Make it be able to compete in dps/contribution with other classes, right now you could drop any support class in favour of a pure dps and nobody will ever notice a difference.
2. Add Ranger stone, I would love to see a pure ranged dps that uses a bow. Machinist does not count.

Some minor changes:
1. Having to hit songs at exact 30 seconds intervals feels too much, instead, I would like to be able to cast all 3 songs at once, rotating through buffs does not feel natural whatsoever. (I played another pretty old MMO and there was a class that also had song buffs that lasted 2 minutes and you could keep them up all at once, it was amazing, I believe it works the same way until today and nobody ever complained).
2. Dot spread ability.
3. Add Bloodletter charges similar to pitch perfect.

[ForteNightshade]

Archer/Bard major changes I want to see in Endwalker:
1. Make it be able to compete in dps/contribution with other classes, right now you could drop any support class in favour of a pure dps and nobody will ever notice a difference.

This is simply untrue. Bard is entirely on point with Machinist, the only job it'll ever compete with is the "selfish" category. If you meant you could drop the physical Range entirely, the party bonus prevents that as it's significant enough of a loss you'll never want to drop any of the physical Range from a comp.

2. Add Ranger stone, I would love to see a pure ranged dps that uses a bow. Machinist does not count.

This will never happen. The dev team has outright stated they have no interest in branching jobs, and in fact, regret ever attempting it with Scholar and Summoner due to the balancing issues it caused. They'd rather make an entirely new job. Furthermore, ShB's iteration of Bard is essentially Ranger in all but name at this point.

Some minor changes:
1. Having to hit songs at exact 30 seconds intervals feels too much, instead, I would like to be able to cast all 3 songs at once, rotating through buffs does not feel natural whatsoever. (I played another pretty old MMO and there was a class that also had song buffs that lasted 2 minutes and you could keep them up all at once, it was amazing, I believe it works the same way until today and nobody ever complained).

This more or less turns Bard into Ranger while completely destroying its whole gimmick. Wanderer's and Mage's function very differently. You couldn't simply press them both and have the job still play the way it does now. Not to mention, the songs used to be "utility" back in Heavensward. They were hated since you hardly ever bothered to press them.

Now a "super song" on say, a 180s, could be neat. But not something permanent.