How is monk after the rework?

[wereotter]

Yeah Monk would be unplayable without those positional-ignoring charges. We are getting farther and farther away from my original point. And I’d like to see a venn diagram of people saying that PB is easy spam and people who think that the bootshine positional is too punishing to miss. Like you have true north and ROE right? (Which I keep in easy to reach spots for a reason)

Monk had no positional nullyfying skills in ARR and Heavensward and I managed to play the job just fine....

But when it comes to Perfect Balance, it just so happens to have the same cooldown as True North, so... you should always have that available to use during that phase.

[Shurrikhan]

Monk had no positional nullyfying skills in ARR and Heavensward and I managed to play the job just fine.....

Tbf, at that time Monk had up to 4 skills usable that had no positionals. Optimized and without conditionals, that was mostly down to ToD and Fracture, and thus limited to roughly every 30 and 18s, respectively, but it was still significant.

Heck, unless you were needing to up your dodge chance or physical defense, neither of which worked on most raid damage, there was little cost to taking Impulse Drive, which was an entirely on-demand positionless skill (once its positional was moved to Chaos Thrust early on in ARR), albeit at 10-20 more TP than the average Monk skill.


...Honestly, I much preferred that over the oGCD nullifiers we have now.

[Vyrerus]

Tbf, at that time Monk had up to 4 skills usable that had no positionals. Optimized and without conditionals, that was mostly down to ToD and Fracture, and thus limited to roughly every 30 and 18s, respectively, but it was still significant.

Heck, unless you were needing to up your dodge chance or physical defense, neither of which worked on most raid damage, there was little cost to taking Impulse Drive, which was an entirely on-demand positionless skill (once its positional was moved to Chaos Thrust early on in ARR), albeit at 10-20 more TP than the average Monk skill.


...Honestly, I much preferred that over the oGCD nullifiers we have now.

It was not early on in ARR lol. Impulse Drive kept the rear positional until 2.5. I remember the pain that was DRG's positional based combo starters for almost all of ARR. Miss the positional? No combo for you, retry until you get the positional. It's what literally kicked DRG out of raiding in FCoB until 2.5.

[Shurrikhan]

It was not early on in ARR lol. Impulse Drive kept the rear positional until 2.5. I remember the pain that was DRG's positional based combo starters for almost all of ARR. Miss the positional? No combo for you, retry until you get the positional. It's what literally kicked DRG out of raiding in FCoB until 2.5.

Admittedly I should have double-checked. Since it was on-demand and therefore pretty easy to land, I didn't have any super firm memories; I just didn't remember it being a hassle and had DRG capped by 2.1, so I figured it was soon after. (Heck, most of my memories of Impulse Drive surround when it was optimally used twice or thrice per Demolish on Monk since Monk's native potencies were so low and Demolish's DoT initially didn't scale with GL...)

Alas, it was 2.45. My mistake.

[ssunny2008]

. I remember the pain that was DRG's positional based combo starters for almost all of ARR. Miss the positional? No combo for you, retry until you get the positional.

Stuff like that would actually bring enjoyment back to the gameplay.

Doesn´t matter which class you play... get max level, open balance discord, be friendly to a dummy about an hour and feel like a master on your class. The variety and decision - making by the player got pretty much nullified and i´m pretty sure it´ll get even worse with endwalker.

Monk is atleast one of the last classes, where you´ve a bigger gap between "good / bad played". But if we look at the latest rework, things will go nuts in the future too.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Monk had no positional nullyfying skills in ARR and Heavensward and I managed to play the job just fine....

But when it comes to Perfect Balance, it just so happens to have the same cooldown as True North, so... you should always have that available to use during that phase.

You are correct... I guess I tend to not use TN on PB because it's more fun to me. It's still fast GCD and more weaving compared to WAR.