How is monk after the rework?

[wereotter]

A lot of us old Monk players are super jaded. I appreciate the optimism, and it's entirely possible Monk will get some cool, badass feature in EW that makes then super interesting and fun but... well like I've said before, if SE knew how to do that they woulda done it when Monk stagnated hard going into Stormblood.

I mean, Monk was gutted going into Shadowbringers and are you really going to sit there and say that was all just setup for the next expansion? What if EW monk sucks too, is that acceptable because obviously that's just setup for the NEXT NEXT expansion after? Is there some point we can say, hey, no, let's not make a framework for something good and let's actually make it good?

They actually told us this rework was like it is because they're setting up the job better for next expansion, though. Other job reworks have not had that same caveat from the developers. Additionally, you could argue that unlike jobs like machinist or ninja, monk just didn't have a deep well of skills to alter in order to do a massive rework when you consider just how many skills were passive skills that existed only to maintain greased lightning. Could they have done something more interesting? Absolutely. But we do have to realize they were working with a much more shallow pool of potential skills than they were with other jobs.

[Powercow]

They actually told us this rework was like it is because they're setting up the job better for next expansion, though. Other job reworks have not had that same caveat from the developers. Additionally, you could argue that unlike jobs like machinist or ninja, monk just didn't have a deep well of skills to alter in order to do a massive rework when you consider just how many skills were passive skills that existed only to maintain greased lightning. Could they have done something more interesting? Absolutely. But we do have to realize they were working with a much more shallow pool of potential skills than they were with other jobs.

Last thing I saw on this rework was that the changes were put in mid-Shadowbringers so that Monks wouldn't have to wait until the next expansion for the rework. That sounds to me like what we have *is* the rework, and we're likely going to get the small smattering of skills as usual for next expansion.

Yeah, the new skills won't be about GL maintenence, thank heavens, but frankly we never needed as many as we had. They just kept giving us GL maintenance buttons because that's all they could think to do. But hey, I'm down for being pleasantly surprised.

[Esmoire]

Take from someone into casual PvE content but super into PvP:

I enjoy the current monk quite a bit. It's my favourite DPS to play. That said, I can tell it is a little undercooked. PvE Monk has fat to trim and three buttons to use for disengagement of which none of them feel good... well, Anatman feels cool but it's just rarely a good option. Fist stances feel like they have no reason to exist. For PvP, monk is almost perfect for Feast, but a mixed bag elsewhere... needs a projectile or escape.

Looking forward to the rest of the revisions. I honestly don't think a lot has to change from a fun standpoint personally, yet. I cannot deny the lower usage numbers in both casual PvE as well as raiding.