How is monk after the rework?

[Vyrerus]

Just answering OP:

It's super boring. There's almost nothing to manage. You don't get to see Tornado Kick's animation because it's too long. Perfect Balance got reinvented into what it'd been driven towards with the addition of Leaden Fist(as shown with DRG's Raiden Thrust, they could have had Bootshine transform into this when conditions are met... ugh).

All in all, it was more fun to play prior to the rework, but supposedly it's what Bhearil said, and they've scorched the earth so they may begin again, make something "new" out of what remains.

[Raikai]

I mean, Monk was gutted going into Shadowbringers and are you really going to sit there and say that was all just setup for the next expansion?

For all that matters, they could've left Monk untouched and do everything all at once in EW, both the gutting and the renewal. I suspect they experimented with the gutting mid-xpac to test the grounds or something? I don't know. To me Monk before was insufferable because of GL and all the other issues and after the gut is insufferable because of how bland it is, so to me personally it wouldn't matter a lot.

What if EW monk sucks too, is that acceptable because obviously that's just setup for the NEXT NEXT expansion after? Is there some point we can say, hey, no, let's not make a framework for something good and let's actually make it good?

That's the risk with any expansion. The progression system that XIV lives on with cumulative additions as the level tiers go up can mean anything to any job... Something that works beautifully nowadays like BLM can break just by the addition of 1 new spell or 1 new mechanic. Or the new "remake" might not personally please you, despite being well made... Or the worst case scenario is that they'll just fail and try again in 7.0.

[Imshail]

It's boring.

[Stormfur]

Thank you.. I keep hoping that monk will see the same kind of attention like machinist did... I mean it was a class with such cool potential but so many shoehorned abilities and managing everything in the wildfire window wasn't fun at all. Now, machinist is much better and actually fun to me although there are definitely areas where it could get some love, too. An overhaul like that takes time...I get it, so I'm kinda holding my breath because the dev team is already giving our damage scaling a do-over + 2 new classes + everything else, it just seems like a lot to fit into a few months. I guess I'm cautiously optomistic. I want to love monk again!

[Brandedblade]

I think it's fun enough, I'm currently leveling and it feels good not having to either a) Constantly ramp up or B) mindlessly spam buttons between pulls to prevent yourself from loosing stacks. I definitely find it more fun overall to play then ninja, especially with all the constant moving you do to land positionals.

[SpeckledBurd]

A lot of us old Monk players are super jaded. I appreciate the optimism, and it's entirely possible Monk will get some cool, badass feature in EW that makes then super interesting and fun but... well like I've said before, if SE knew how to do that they woulda done it when Monk stagnated hard going into Stormblood.

It's also the case that this isn't the first time Monk has been in this situation. In Heavensward Monk had major issues and the devs declared that the job balance was overall too screwed up for them to do anything further, so they gave up and gave us Stormblood Monk, which was very poorly received on Launch. Then after all of Stormblood and all of the criticism of that, where the devs actively said on Stream that they thought Stormblood Monk was a poor direction for the job and that they were taking feedback to improve it they made... Shadowbringers Monk, which was basically just 4.0 Monk but worse. The most attention they ever gave Monk was the 5.4 changes and as VentVanitas so summarized so well, they arguably made the job feel worse by exacerbating existing problems.

The devs have by their own actions given every reason for Monk players to be skeptical that the job will ever get better, so I imagine people are going to continue complaining until they prove us wrong. Maybe they will, but twice bitten, thrice shy at this point.

[wereotter]

A lot of us old Monk players are super jaded. I appreciate the optimism, and it's entirely possible Monk will get some cool, badass feature in EW that makes then super interesting and fun but... well like I've said before, if SE knew how to do that they woulda done it when Monk stagnated hard going into Stormblood.

I mean, Monk was gutted going into Shadowbringers and are you really going to sit there and say that was all just setup for the next expansion? What if EW monk sucks too, is that acceptable because obviously that's just setup for the NEXT NEXT expansion after? Is there some point we can say, hey, no, let's not make a framework for something good and let's actually make it good?

They actually told us this rework was like it is because they're setting up the job better for next expansion, though. Other job reworks have not had that same caveat from the developers. Additionally, you could argue that unlike jobs like machinist or ninja, monk just didn't have a deep well of skills to alter in order to do a massive rework when you consider just how many skills were passive skills that existed only to maintain greased lightning. Could they have done something more interesting? Absolutely. But we do have to realize they were working with a much more shallow pool of potential skills than they were with other jobs.

[Powercow]

They actually told us this rework was like it is because they're setting up the job better for next expansion, though. Other job reworks have not had that same caveat from the developers. Additionally, you could argue that unlike jobs like machinist or ninja, monk just didn't have a deep well of skills to alter in order to do a massive rework when you consider just how many skills were passive skills that existed only to maintain greased lightning. Could they have done something more interesting? Absolutely. But we do have to realize they were working with a much more shallow pool of potential skills than they were with other jobs.

Last thing I saw on this rework was that the changes were put in mid-Shadowbringers so that Monks wouldn't have to wait until the next expansion for the rework. That sounds to me like what we have *is* the rework, and we're likely going to get the small smattering of skills as usual for next expansion.

Yeah, the new skills won't be about GL maintenence, thank heavens, but frankly we never needed as many as we had. They just kept giving us GL maintenance buttons because that's all they could think to do. But hey, I'm down for being pleasantly surprised.

[Esmoire]

Take from someone into casual PvE content but super into PvP:

I enjoy the current monk quite a bit. It's my favourite DPS to play. That said, I can tell it is a little undercooked. PvE Monk has fat to trim and three buttons to use for disengagement of which none of them feel good... well, Anatman feels cool but it's just rarely a good option. Fist stances feel like they have no reason to exist. For PvP, monk is almost perfect for Feast, but a mixed bag elsewhere... needs a projectile or escape.

Looking forward to the rest of the revisions. I honestly don't think a lot has to change from a fun standpoint personally, yet. I cannot deny the lower usage numbers in both casual PvE as well as raiding.

[White_Wolf_X]

After greased lightning rework i really enjoy monk, before that it was just a pain to keep it up and then also lose it with tornado kick.