How is monk after the rework?

[Jirah]

I’ve been getting into MNK recently due to haveing probably the worst rep in the game second to BRD DRK and SCH. My experience is..

50s it’s ok, but with literally no gauge it feels like a lesser dragoon or a less fun SAM. Got some neat tricks like Mantra and perfect balance being stacked based is better than rushing in those Bootshines. Also getting dragon kick this late is abit confusing for new players that are used to bootshine starting it’s combo.

60s it’s lackluster, a issue some jobs have is their ties to their older incarnations are not completely severed and your left with dead weight, chakra gauge is essentially dead weight with no control in battle that isn’t a dps loss. Formless fist is another notable improvement but besides that generic ogcds which spice up MNK but Ogcds can only do so much

70s is where MNK shines, with a riddle and brotherhood you finally have a point of structure with the job due to the absence of internal release, its kinda needed. Besides a GL trait 70 and 80s are mostly the same. And the job feels exceedingly simple at times but also oddly enough is daunting due to the strict positionals and buff/debuff times. I found myself enjoying it more than I thought but does require practice and it has a lot of room to grow! As the MNK mains can attest

[Gobio]

At first I thought monk was about building up light the 7? charka and the 7? dark charka and then open all 14 and transform into super beings...
But it turns out, monk is, here is all the requirement in terms of combo and position and here is a set of buttons to skip them...

[Sqwall]

I’ve been getting into MNK recently due to haveing probably the worst rep in the game second to BRD DRK and SCH. My experience is..

50s it’s ok, but with literally no gauge it feels like a lesser dragoon or a less fun SAM. Got some neat tricks like Mantra and perfect balance being stacked based is better than rushing in those Bootshines. Also getting dragon kick this late is abit confusing for new players that are used to bootshine starting it’s combo.

60s it’s lackluster, a issue some jobs have is their ties to their older incarnations are not completely severed and your left with dead weight, chakra gauge is essentially dead weight with no control in battle that isn’t a dps loss. Formless fist is another notable improvement but besides that generic ogcds which spice up MNK but Ogcds can only do so much

70s is where MNK shines, with a riddle and brotherhood you finally have a point of structure with the job due to the absence of internal release, its kinda needed. Besides a GL trait 70 and 80s are mostly the same. And the job feels exceedingly simple at times but also oddly enough is daunting due to the strict positionals and buff/debuff times. I found myself enjoying it more than I thought but does require practice and it has a lot of room to grow! As the MNK mains can attest

You should have tried those 70's when they came out....it did NOT shine....until they fixed perfect balance and riddle of wind (removed). Plus you still had GL.

I'm sure it's way better now without GL

[Prishax]

At first I thought monk was about building up light the 7? charka and the 7? dark charka and then open all 14 and transform into super beings...
But it turns out, monk is, here is all the requirement in terms of combo and position and here is a set of buttons to skip them...

Not sure what you are talking about but so far i got it Monk DPS comes mostly from doing as many(builded up and not builded up) Six Sided Star and 320 potential Chakra combos as possible. And since i learned that and the the right combos for it i do pretty good as a monk and it´s dps. Positionals are rather unimportant compared to that and there is really much content where you can´t really utilize positionals nowadays but ofc it´s always good to land as many positionals as you can as an extra.

[wereotter]

Not sure what you are talking about but so far i got it Monk DPS comes mostly from doing as many(builded up and not builded up) Six Sided Star and 320 potential Chakra combos as possible. And since i learned that and the the right combos for it i do pretty good as a monk and it´s dps. Positionals are rather unimportant compared to that and there is really much content where you can´t really utilize positionals nowadays but ofc it´s always good to land as many positionals as you can as an extra.

What are you talking about? Positionals for a monk are VITAL. Every GCD in your single target rotation has one, and if you decide to just not use them, you're missing out on a lot. Not just the added potency, but also the guaranteed bootshine crit. Also Six Sided Star is garbage....there's almost no reason to ever use it, especially now that greased lightning is gone.

As far as the comment you're responding to, the Heavesnward and ARR stories are all about unlocking the 14 chakras, but it goes nowhere after that. You don't even get a callback to it with job mechanics as The Forbidden Charka attack only requires you to have opened up 5 chakras.

[Kolsykol]

Not sure what you are talking about but so far i got it Monk DPS comes mostly from doing as many(builded up and not builded up) Six Sided Star and 320 potential Chakra combos as possible. And since i learned that and the the right combos for it i do pretty good as a monk and it´s dps. Positionals are rather unimportant compared to that and there is really much content where you can´t really utilize positionals nowadays but ofc it´s always good to land as many positionals as you can as an extra.

How do you know that you're doing good dps?
Have you measured it?

Because you said a lot of wrong things tbh.
I mean feeling like you're doing good dps and actually doing it are two different things.

I'd suggest that you look up The Balance discord server, they have great guides.

[Prishax]

How do you know that you're doing good dps?
Have you measured it?

Because you said a lot of wrong things tbh.
I mean feeling like you're doing good dps and actually doing it are two different things.

I'd suggest that you look up The Balance discord server, they have great guides.

I check aggro meters and dps/damage meters from others in party^^ also how can it be wrong when what i sayed includes the strongest damage combos(i don´t even think people here have a clue what i am talking about since most people only talk about the rather unimportant stuff and never about how to utilize Six Sided Star and Chakra skills)... i personally think there is a reason some people don´t like Monk currently and this is simply because they don´t know how to play it. Ofc i already saw some guides(while im not so new to the game anymore), but they are really useless, playing like those is by far worse than what i do now.

[Marc-Vigar]

Don't feed the troll.

[ssunny2008]

i don´t even think people here have a clue what i am talking about

I´m pretty sure, that you´ve no clue what you´re talking about. (troll much?!)

SSS is a great tool with a good damage output, but it´ll never reach the potency from 2 positionals skills. You just need to check the numbers on the infobars to get that. SSS is only used as the last skill when you expect a longer downtime.
And what should those "chakra combos" be? Do you really stay there and spam it instead of doing real damage with your 123 combos?

If anything is the real damage tool of MNK, it´s Bootshine. And so far positionals are very important on MNK, not only to procc the 100% crit on BS. You´ll miss like 10% damage and more if you just ignore them.

And you really shouldn´t talk about "big DPS". It´s so easy to spy you. You haven´t even done the current endgame and you don´t have proper gear. If you think you´re a dps monster, because you can spam 123 in dungeons or that you´re 2nd in aggro with a burst class, then sry... but this is the biggest casual MMORPG i know. Everything but the endgame content is a joke and even those called savage raids are not a challenge for good gamers. Even ultimate is just a fat timesink to memorize some mechanics the a defined order.

If you´ve done E12s before Endwalker without the bs buff and a 90+ log, as MNK with your SSS chakra combo, feel free to come back to teach me and others.

Don't feed the troll.

better is....

[Prishax]

Btw with positionals i only mean the dmg boosts from the side/back, ofc you use all those skills for combos/build ups(this doesn´t need a specific position) but the positions themself aren´t the most important thing anymore. If you really think they are, you never will be good as a monk and you can´t even use the positional damage bonus in many types of content, maybe from side but the bonus from the back is often not possible to do.