FFXIV: Limited Job and why it doesn't work

[Canadane]

You mean , more "dead" content? ... I agree that BLU on release having so much content , but once all done for one time. what's next?... remember I said "ONE TIME" ...

After you're done the content that BLU gets, you can use it to be super overpowered in content farms for old content.
SE loves sending us back to older dungeons and such, just look at the Resistance Weapon right now.
Level 70 dungeon farms are a breeze with 3 or 4 BLUs with you.

[Vyrerus]

Y'all people arguing for BLU to become normal are missing the entire point of BLU. They could standardize it for regular play, yes, but they already said years ago that they would not be willing to sacrifice what is quintessential to BLU to do that. Of course, they could do that. Of course, it would make a lot of people happy. It's not what they want to do with the job though, due to the nature of this MMO.

Also, Aetherial Mimicry isn't a sign that it's being more standardized. There's a clearly more powerful than the others option there, and it's Healer Mimicry. Like, sure the DPS one has more DPS due to the Crit/Direct rate+ and the Tank one gives x4 to defenses as well as buffing cooldown related skill, but due to Diamondback and other things, Healer Mimicry is just way more potent than the other two options. It's a skill that was added to give BLU more power overall without basically giving it god mode. Imagine if all three could be active at once.

It's best like it is now, living up to how it works in all other Final Fantasies, with its class fantasy and lore intact, not breaking the game in anyway(though it did flirt with it during Yokai) while being an enormous amount of fun with a ginormous skill ceiling. You normalize it, you kill it. You're just asking for BLU flavored caster. That's it. You're not asking for actual BLU. And that's a dreadfully dull thing to ask for.

[ReiMakoto]

Y'all people arguing for BLU to become normal are missing the entire point of BLU. They could standardize it for regular play, yes, but they already said years ago that they would not be willing to sacrifice what is quintessential to BLU to do that. Of course, they could do that. Of course, it would make a lot of people happy. It's not what they want to do with the job though, due to the nature of this MMO.

Also, Aetherial Mimicry isn't a sign that it's being more standardized. There's a clearly more powerful than the others option there, and it's Healer Mimicry. Like, sure the DPS one has more DPS due to the Crit/Direct rate+ and the Tank one gives x4 to defenses as well as buffing cooldown related skill, but due to Diamondback and other things, Healer Mimicry is just way more potent than the other two options. It's a skill that was added to give BLU more power overall without basically giving it god mode. Imagine if all three could be active at once.

It's best like it is now, living up to how it works in all other Final Fantasies, with its class fantasy and lore intact, not breaking the game in anyway(though it did flirt with it during Yokai) while being an enormous amount of fun with a ginormous skill ceiling. You normalize it, you kill it. You're just asking for BLU flavored caster. That's it. You're not asking for actual BLU. And that's a dreadfully dull thing to ask for.

This is a load of flowery insubstantial rubbish. Asking for BLUs current rotation to be ported over to usable form in normal content doesnt take anything away from anyone. + this appeal to identity and "staying true to other games" doesnt even track, xiv blu is only similar to xi blu, other than that its very different from its other incarnations.

[ItMe]

of course when BLU become normal job it will rebalance the skills and wont be super OP on current content...

What do you mean "when?"

[Raikai]

I'm going to watch the video, as it seems well put together...

As of now, however, I actually enjoy BLU for what it is. I just wish we had two points looked at:

1) More reasons to keep running their "endgame" content. I really don't need Allied Seals anymore, and I've got everything a Blue Mage has to offer sans the Morbol mount, because that depends on a set of logistics on a much larger scale (finding a proper static). Maybe add very expensive things on the vendor, or even better, Revelation tomes for the daily log completion. Enabling deep dungeons for solo BLU with their own achievements and scoreboard is also another big plus because it's a place where you can effectively run indefinitely due to the random nature of the rewards there.

2) Better realized tank and healing roles. They have more tools now, but still lack a lot of refinement that the DPS aspect has. Tank Mimicry should make the job scale with tank stats, and make the mitigators insta-cast. Healers need oGCD healing spells to complement their kits too.

[Mariel_Crystallie]

After you're done the content that BLU gets, you can use it to be super overpowered in content farms for old content.
SE loves sending us back to older dungeons and such, just look at the Resistance Weapon right now.
Level 70 dungeon farms are a breeze with 3 or 4 BLUs with you.

Yeah all I can see is another way of abuse the system once again , nothing change with the mog tome farm... and now happen with the relics ( I understand this is a good thing for us to make it easier , but still feels like using a gameshark for doing this ). I just don't know anymore , is the purpose of making Limited Job is only abusing the system? is this gonna be a trend for every limited job later on?

What do you mean "when?"

Dunno maybe someday in the future or on the next FF MMO lol... all up to devs teams , but I'm here just sending some feedback regarding this "L I M I T E D J O B"

[TeraTyrantShadic]

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They already have standardized it. Look at it, we have group play Blue Mages. Evidenced with Blue Mage Log and Blue Mage Savage. 2 Tanks, 2 Healers and 4 DPS. They don't need to sacrifice anything at all other than rebalancing it and removal or adjustment of certain skills. The selection of spells can stay, as this is a trait of Blue Mage. All 3 roles being playable is not the key feature of Blue Mage. Learning moves from monster is the key feature. Before FFXI or FFXIV Blue Mage can do just about anything and really the holy trinity (Tank, Heal, DPS) is there just in a subtle way in all of the single player games.

Solo Content has no terms of OP especially in FFXIV. The discussion is about group play Blue Mage, not solo play Blue Mage. Yes, in solo play it can be 'OP', but in group play you have to decide a role. Cause DPS as a BLU healer can be done, but it will become a lot harder without the DPS mimicry composition. Healer mimicry is not that OP, but it can still make a DPS check with it as it has a lot of OGCD and with that it is all dependent on the player's skill sets for their Blue Mage.

Fun is a subjective term. As for normalizing it, I have already stated before. What they have now is a great start for it to become a normal job. Adding a Job gauge can add a new excitement to it, plus you'll still have everything it has. With a high skill ceiling just makes it all the more reason for players who know what they're doing in savage to play with the job as a normal one at that. However, I do want to point out, you really don't need a high skill level to get behind the wheel of Blue Mage. In savage, the skill ceiling is how well you memorize the mechanics and what to do in that situation with the job you have chosen. There is none for casual content and below. I won't even count Masked Carnival as anyone can achieve the titles from it. From the bigger picture your skill ceiling is how well you memorize your rotation as any job and how you can deal optimized damage while dodging and performing the mechanics during an encounter. The performance is based on you, not your job. You, the player. You want to be in that high skill ceiling? Then work for it and earn it, the jobs are there to provide you the tools need to reach peak performance, but only you can truly reach it if you learn your job in and out and overcome your weaknesses. Like Yoshida has made it clear every job is viable, even in ultimate. Making the same mistakes? That is not the job's fault, it is you and you alone unless you team member somehow messed up with the mechanics. Then it is their fault, but why point out the faults or mistakes when you can address it and learn from it as a team. That is the other skill ceiling, trust between you and your party members or static. If you truly want to reach peak performance then seek out the impossible and work together as a team. Like the video example I have shown in my video with the current tier raid. They can fully mitigate the damage because teamwork. Anything is possible and any job can be used to achieve such a feat.

Normalize it, we will still have the key features of it and with a job gauge added. I am not asking for a BLU flavored caster nor is anyone. People are asking for a playable Blue Mage class and what we have now can be made into a normal job while keeping what it has.

[Auryan]

Two questions:
1) But why?
Why does BLU have to be more than what it is designed to be (side content)?
The reasons you give for why they would entertain the idea are generally vague ("make the game better", "save resources"), self-serving (content you personally want over things you don't like) or appeals to nostalgia and emotions ("traditional job", FF history, "it's my favorite from the series!"). Going from your thesis it sounds like you have a very emotional attachment to the job concept or more of an obsessive hatred for the limited job idea. And while I sympathize with the nostalgia/emotional angle to an extent, none of these give me a good reason why SE has to further invest in something they clearly don't want or need.

2) Why change BLU when simply adding a standard caster job would accomplish the same thing?
Let's ignore the reality that they plan and allocate resources to content/expansions years in advance and have at the very least weapon ideas for future jobs (potentially caster) that could fill any gap. Why not simply add a caster for the 4th spot at a future date and keep BLU as they intended? Why can't Geomancer or Green Mage fill the same niche as a neutered BLU would?

I think I've asked this before, but can't remember getting an answer that didn't involve some sort of special pleading or downplaying the difficulty of balancing jobs and content.

[AngelCheese77]

A good start IMO would be allowing us to use BLU with our Squadrons. I aleady have come to terms on being unable to get any of the skills from the extremely hard dungeons, so I won’t be the best BLU out there

[Mariel_Crystallie]

Two questions:
1) But why?
Why does BLU have to be more than what it is designed to be (side content)?
The reasons you give for why they would entertain the idea are generally vague ("make the game better", "save resources"), self-serving (content you personally want over things you don't like) or appeals to nostalgia and emotions ("traditional job", FF history, "it's my favorite from the series!"). Going from your thesis it sounds like you have a very emotional attachment to the job concept or more of an obsessive hatred for the limited job idea. And while I sympathize with the nostalgia/emotional angle to an extent, none of these give me a good reason why SE has to further invest in something they clearly don't want or need.

2) Why change BLU when simply adding a standard caster job would accomplish the same thing?
Let's ignore the reality that they plan and allocate resources to content/expansions years in advance and have at the very least weapon ideas for future jobs (potentially caster) that could fill any gap. Why not simply add a caster for the 4th spot at a future date and keep BLU as they intended? Why can't Geomancer or Green Mage fill the same niche as a neutered BLU would?

I think I've asked this before, but can't remember getting an answer that didn't involve some sort of special pleading or downplaying the difficulty of balancing jobs and content.

Helping Answer this question :

1. The reason why BLU should have more than designed to be , because right now BLU as "Side Content" have really small attention to the devs team and it's keep getting worse , while having your favorite job getting small portion while it's supposedly got big update (lvl 70) it's really sad. As for now all I can see being a "Limited Job" is the only way to abusing some old content while the current content for them is getting super small portion of it ( lvl 70 ).

2. We already have the resource for BLU and they don't need to make it from scratch again for other job , another reason why it's easier to make BLU as normal job instead making a new one. Tho I won't hate it if Geo / Green Mage become a job, the more the merrier.