new items are counter productive?

[Orophen]

For people confused about the addition of weapon parts and nuggets:

Addition of End Recipes after Patch 1.20

Setting Patch 1.19 as the “foundation” with simple recipes for basic crafters, we plan on adding on to the foundation with higher level End Recipes. (This will be adjusted based on the implementation of materia craft) Battle content will be further expanded, so dropped items will become stronger as well. As a result, if crafted items do not become stronger, crafted items will effectively die out. Therefore, we will add crafted items with very strong parameters in exchange for higher requirements such as multiple skills, rare ingredients, and multiple crafted ingredients. Gathering ingredients for these items will require help from another player and/or leveling up multiple classes. Essentially, crafting will be sharpened. To be successful, crafters will have to consistently pursue the newest recipes from patches, review where to obtain ingredients, observe market trends, and create items.

It was always his plan to bring back more complicated recipes, but only for higher levels. "Endgame recipes" I guess you could call it.

EDIT: Well he already calls them End Recipes.

Link to the post is here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...704#post307704

[Rokien]

I don't care if they are crafted or not, it doesn't make sense that a job can't equip a class weapon, it's stupid and follows no logic at all.

[Orophen]

I don't care if they are crafted or not, it doesn't make sense that a job can't equip a class weapon, it's stupid and follows no logic at all.

If you're referring to what I just posted, that doesn't have anything at all to do with whether or not a job should be able to equip those weapons. That was in response to people wondering why nuggets and weapons parts were reappearing after the crafting revisions they did a while back.

[Rokien]

If you're referring to what I just posted, that doesn't have anything at all to do with whether or not a job should be able to equip those weapons. That was in response to people wondering why nuggets and weapons parts were reappearing after the crafting revisions they did a while back.

I know that, I was just making an emphasis on my earlier point lol

[Shorty]

Has anyone made any of these weapons yet and tested them if they really only work for classes only?

[Rukkirii]

To speak specifically to "why are these new weapons class-specific?" - the development team plans to implement a variety of equipment that meets and fulfills all types of needs for the adventurers of Eorzea. It just so happened that those implemented this time were class-specific. With this said, it wasn’t their intention to try and change battle balance or force any particular type of play style because of the implementation of class-specific equipment.

To address the question about "Why are these types of items in the new recipes when they were removed in a previous patch?" The reason why nuggets were removed from recipes alongside the recipe adjustments was due to the fact that many low-level recipes had multiple steps in their recipe making them overly complex. It wasn't meant to be taken that they would never be used again in the future.

As we stated previously, the below is the plan for new recipes:
-Low level: No multi-step materials, easy to craft
-High level: Multi-step materials, high difficulty

The recipes added this time were high-level ones.

[Nakiamiie]

To speak specifically to "why are these new weapons class-specific?" - the development team plans to implement a variety of equipment that meets and fulfills all types of needs for the adventurers of Eorzea. It just so happened that those implemented this time were class-specific. With this said, it wasn’t their intention to try and change battle balance or force any particular type of play style because of the implementation of class-specific equipment.

To address the question about "Why are these types of items in the new recipes when they were removed in a previous patch?" The reason why nuggets where removed from recipes alongside the recipe adjustments was due to the fact that many low-level recipes had multiple steps in their recipe making them overly complex. It wasn't meant to be taken that they would never be used again in the future.

As we stated previously, the below is the plan for new recipes:
-Low level: No multi-step materials, easy to craft
-High level: Multi-step materials, high difficulty

The recipes added this time were high-level ones.

Sweet!
The devs have good plans. <3

[Wynn]

To speak specifically to "why are these new weapons class-specific?" - the development team plans to implement a variety of equipment that meets and fulfills all types of needs for the adventurers of Eorzea. It just so happened that those implemented this time were class-specific. With this said, it wasn’t their intention to try and change battle balance or force any particular type of play style because of the implementation of class-specific equipment.

To address the question about "Why are these types of items in the new recipes when they were removed in a previous patch?" The reason why nuggets where removed from recipes alongside the recipe adjustments was due to the fact that many low-level recipes had multiple steps in their recipe making them overly complex. It wasn't meant to be taken that they would never be used again in the future.

As we stated previously, the below is the plan for new recipes:
-Low level: No multi-step materials, easy to craft
-High level: Multi-step materials, high difficulty

The recipes added this time were high-level ones.

You tell em, Ru.

Also: yay for the return of crafting complexity!

[syntaxlies]

To speak specifically to "why are these new weapons class-specific?" - the development team plans to implement a variety of equipment that meets and fulfills all types of needs for the adventurers of Eorzea. It just so happened that those implemented this time were class-specific. With this said, it wasn’t their intention to try and change battle balance or force any particular type of play style because of the implementation of class-specific equipment.

To address the question about "Why are these types of items in the new recipes when they were removed in a previous patch?" The reason why nuggets where removed from recipes alongside the recipe adjustments was due to the fact that many low-level recipes had multiple steps in their recipe making them overly complex. It wasn't meant to be taken that they would never be used again in the future.

As we stated previously, the below is the plan for new recipes:
-Low level: No multi-step materials, easy to craft
-High level: Multi-step materials, high difficulty

The recipes added this time were high-level ones.

...completely missing the point. Why is SE making inv overload when they plan to scale our inv back to 100 slots in the future. I can deal with multi step recipes.. really, that's not the issue. why are there a million different materia. Why do materia come in 4 grades then 4 quality's, do we really need an int 13 and 14 materia, you wont even notice the difference when used. And for class only gear, its pointless, sure plenty of people will be like "oh, ill use it... derp" but couldn't you have made it non restricted so class/job can both use it. The decision making process involving flooding our inv with new junk is astounding, yay, now I have to store class gear and job gear, that doesn't even close to make sense.

[Roaran]

To address the question about "Why are these types of items in the new recipes when they were removed in a previous patch?" The reason why nuggets where removed from recipes alongside the recipe adjustments was due to the fact that many low-level recipes had multiple steps in their recipe making them overly complex. It wasn't meant to be taken that they would never be used again in the future.

As we stated previously, the below is the plan for new recipes:
-Low level: No multi-step materials, easy to craft
-High level: Multi-step materials, high difficulty

The recipes added this time were high-level ones.

This is consistent and sensical.

To speak specifically to "why are these new weapons class-specific?" - the development team plans to implement a variety of equipment that meets and fulfills all types of needs for the adventurers of Eorzea. It just so happened that those implemented this time were class-specific. With this said, it wasn’t their intention to try and change battle balance or force any particular type of play style because of the implementation of class-specific equipment.

This, however, is not.

First, why Job Specific gear is tolerable. When you play as a job, you are changing to a role that is both narrow and specific. Because the role is defined and narrow enough, gear tailored specifically to that job is logical.

However, classes are not defined roles, and if you had to define them, they would change depending on the encounter and the player. Developing specific gear to fit roles that change is impossible without making the set as a whole ineffective.

Futhermore, there is already a game mechanic that allows classes to develop gear for their specific purposes. For example, instead of developing a set of GLA/MRD gear with +healing potency on it, a GLA or MRD can use existing gear with +healing Materia attached.

Finally, the new equipment is not very useful, as classes are not always very useful ( there are exceptions ). So although there is a serious problem in the design for such equipment, the entirety of the problem does not solely reside within the equipment themselves; the poor implementation of the Job System and poor maintenance of the Armoury/Class System is to blame as well.

My suggestion would be to place a higher priority in striking better balance between classes and jobs (Defining roles: For example, If Warrior's role is to be a Tank, make Marauder a better DD. Or if Whitemage's role is to be a Healer, allow Conjurers to DD and provide different buffs to the group; or, if such changes do not fit design specs, development on other jobs to fit those roles should be a priority). Then Design Job and Class equipment for those specific roles.