Can we use ACT to recognize who is griefing the party and report them afterwards?

[Liam_Harper]

I play for the story, not to live up to other player's expectations. This is an MMO, we can all play however the heck we want.

Say's who?

What if you decided not to wear a job stone at level 80? Or to use a lv1 weapon. Or to RP walk for immersion? Or play tank without stance because you want to be a dps Paladin. Or only use Vercure and Raise on RDM because you prefer to be support, or never touch a heal as healer because you want to be a Holy Mage and so on...

You'd be kicked immediately. But why? In all those examples you're just "playing however the heck you want"? None of those are strictly prohibited in the ToS, but you'd still be considered a griefer.

It's because it's an MMO. A social multiplayer game. A team activity. You aren't the only person involved or the center of the universe and your fun isn't weighted higher than 3-7 other players fun combined. So it's perfectly reasonable to expect a player to be trying to perform the basics of their class. Not perfection, just the basics. Aoe, your core abilities when you can, your heals and/or emnity and a minimum of gear. It's really not too much to ask.

And every GM would likely laugh at your pettiness.

Why is it like that though? You'd likely be booted or flamed immediately if you for example, went into lv80 content as a Conjurer even if you played well, yet a 0 dps healer contributes far less and half the community is absolutely fine with them.

[Keramory]

I just had a run with a dragoon who has 7 classes at level 80 but for some reason refused to do any AoE in a level 66 dungeon and the sprout blm was dealing more damage to the bosses despite failing her rotations. I appreciate that at least she is trying. The reason for the dragoon's poor performance I quote "I have a terrible headache^^". Why are you playing if you have a headache which is basically preventing you from playing and ruins the experience for other players? What purpose does the "^^" at the end serve? To indicate that you are trolling your party and happy because you think I can't do anything about it? Like seriously. His behaviour is disruptive and this is against ToS and hopefully, the GM who is going to be investigating the case will deem it as such as well.

Is it allowed to say things like "at the last pull I(gnb) used only Keen Edge and Brutal Shield and still did more DPS than the dragoon" in the report? Can we use the data from the ACT to validate a report and prove our points?

Just so I understand, after this party you got so upset you looked up this persons profile to see all the jobs they leveled. Then you try and play mental arbiter over whether or not they deserve the right to play based on not being sound of mind enough because of a potential headache. Then you try and decipher some crazy hidden meaning behind "^^", to only conclude it has to be malicious trolling because you think... THEY think... you're having an existential crisis of control. Then of course you report them over the slightest of inconveniences.

And I'm to believe this silly drg is the real problem with this games community?

[Goji1639]

Obvious troll post.

Hilarious that many people here are actually answering seriously and acting like it's a shame they can't use technically illegal software to get someone banned because they have a headache and aren't playing well.

I'll never understand where the idea that this game has a nice community came from. It's as bad as any other MMO out there.

[ZedxKayn]

If your headache is enough to make you forget how to press 1-2-3 instead of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 (doesn't add up, right?), this could be a symptom of something bigger, seek medical attention lol

Unbelievable that people would defend that.

[linayar]

Why is it like that though? You'd likely be booted or flamed immediately if you for example, went into lv80 content as a Conjurer even if you played well, yet a 0 dps healer contributes far less and half the community is absolutely fine with them.

People can trust that a 0 dps healer with their job stone can at least heal through the content. If they can't do that either, then there is a problem.

A Conjurer may or may not be able to heal through the content, but that's not as trustworthy. Then again, people might not care if you show that you can heal through it as a Conjurer, unless it's the kind of people that don't want a 0 dps healer either.

If your headache is enough to make you forget how to press 1-2-3 instead of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 (doesn't add up, right?), this could be a symptom of something bigger, seek medical attention lol

Unbelievable that people would defend that.

It's probably not so much the headache that people are defending, but them not siding with the OP wanting to use an unsupported addon to try to report another player or attributing malicious intentions over a text emote, which may be an overreaction.

[Goji1639]

If your headache is enough to make you forget how to press 1-2-3 instead of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 (doesn't add up, right?), this could be a symptom of something bigger, seek medical attention lol

Unbelievable that people would defend that.

The no AoE part sure, but Dragoon AoE comes really late and kind of sucks in general at lower levels, while the single target is completely fleshed out around that level. Plus you need to at least open single target to get your damage buff up. Unless it was wall to wall pulls the answer isn't really black and white here.

Screwing up boss fights and low damage in general could easily be attributed to a bad headache, though. Point is that this thread was an obviously over-the-top petty troll suggestion, and a lot of the community is hilariously sympathizing with it. Great community indeed.

[Roeshel]

Just so I understand, after this party you got so upset you looked up this persons profile to see all the jobs they leveled. Then you try and play mental arbiter over whether or not they deserve the right to play based on not being sound of mind enough because of a potential headache. Then you try and decipher some crazy hidden meaning behind "^^", to only conclude it has to be malicious trolling because you think... THEY think... you're having an existential crisis of control. Then of course you report them over the slightest of inconveniences.

And I'm to believe this silly drg is the real problem with this games community?

It's not after. I confronted them during the dungeon. I don't like carrying people who are trolling me. Just as you don't like objectiveness. Yes, I got upset, and I have every right to be. You went through some serious word gymnastics to put it as if using only basic attacks and level 1 skill is somehow acceptable and try to paint me the evil one here. But what am I to expect from a person who has been around for 10 years. I would be more surprised if you actually looked at things objectively. DPS not doing DPS because they have a headache is the same as me not tanking because I have a headache. Don't queue, don't play, drink a cup of tea, go see a doctor, rest, get well then start playing.

One person doesn't need long to realize that talking and trying to argue anything is actually completely fruitless here.
In this thread, thankfully there were many who responded with some advice and told me what to do. But I also encountered some severe prejudice by of course a player with almost a decade old account.

It is beyond hilarious to think, hint or even say that the new guy who's been playing the game for two months is the "real" problem with this game community. This community was like this before I came here and it will remain the same after I remove myself from it. The people who remain are the ones who are sustaining the problem whatever that problem may be. The way things are looking, I am happily going to enter into the "silently kicking everyone that ruins my fun" mode. For some reason you think, I will sit here and accept insults and ridiculous objections. I didn't have to ask anything, I didn't have to report anyone. I knew that I can kick them. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt for the whole run. I tried reporting because I thought at that time that such type of griefing could you banned. Apparently I am wrong and here I am at the forums writing replies to people who are defending a player that was not actually playing. I learned it is pointless. I am not repeating my mistakes. Have a good day!

[Jin-]

Vote kick. The end.

Ps. Hopefully it passes

[Goji1639]

Vote kick. The end.

Ps. Hopefully it passes

If this were a real thread then this would be the obvious answer.

Vote kick. If the group decides they want to bring him along despite his inability to perform then you accept it. Otherwise the kick passes and your issue is resolved.

I will admit the whole 'can I use illegal software to potentially get the person banned' angle is hilarious, though. Seeing some of the responses here really highlights how toxic this community is.

[Ransu]

Why is it like that though? You'd likely be booted or flamed immediately if you for example, went into lv80 content as a Conjurer even if you played well, yet a 0 dps healer contributes far less and half the community is absolutely fine with them.

But we're not talking about capped level content. If you join a PF to do a capped level content and are not doing what you need to do then that's on you and the party leader retains the right to kick you. In a leveling roulette though? Who cares....So you have to spend maybe an extra 5 minutes in the dungeon because the healer isn't dpsing, big whoop. Hardly worth the time to bother a GM with a report when they likely have more important issues to deal with.