Addons Discussion

[NeoDivinity]

The reasion for this post is to open a discussion thats not easy to solve, but that happens inside parts of the community.

We all know that addons are agains ToS but SE turns a blind eye to some of them like ACT, Waymark tool, ReShade, etc...
most of them are used for almost every PC players and we know that Console players can't have access to it and as far as you dont use them to harass other player you'll be fine with them.

Recently i heard of the ping pddon that allow players to double weave at any latency that is a big problem since it can be seen as cheating because it change how the games behave(At least that's how i see).
On the otherside it could be seen as something to close the gap between players with high latency and low latency.

I don't want to point fingers and say whats wrong or not, so i do would like to know whats everyones toughts about it, and also to know if theres any channel where we can know how the dev team feels about tools like that.

Addons for XIV are getting more sofisticated as the game grows and turning a blind eye may be harmful to game.



--Tried to fit this post on Feedback are but its filled with GM feedback(and thats ok) so i feared that no one would see it--

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[ItMe]

An addon that that allows players to double weave at any latency??
That sounds crazy!
How does it work?

[NeoDivinity]

How does it work?

Can't say for sure, for what i understood it changes some number to make so the OGCDs can be pressed earlier inside the time it supposed to be,
but im a PLD 90% of the time so even with high latency(190-210) im good.

I can see that this could be game changing for MCHs and MNKs tho

[Airym]

It lowers the time the client forces an animation lock on your character after executing a gcd. You're supposed to tune it to your ping, but nothing stops you from completely disabling it

[Sove92]

An addon that that allows players to double weave at any latency??
That sounds crazy!
How does it work?

When you use a skill, the client will set an animation lock, preventing you from performing another action for its duration. When the server acknowledges your action and you receive that acknowledgement, the animation lock will reset back to its original value, which is a completely nonsensical move on SE's part. What the addon does is deduct your ping from the remaining duration when the acknowledgement is received.

This is something the game should already do, the addon would not exist if SE fixed this issue with animation locks. The tool still doesn't let you weave oGCDs faster than a 0 ping environment would, it simply makes the game's animation lock behave as if you were playing with 0 ping.

[ICountFrom0]

When you use a skill, the client will set an animation lock, preventing you from performing another action for its duration. When the server acknowledges your action and you receive that acknowledgement, the animation lock will reset back to its original value, which is a completely nonsensical move on SE's part. What the addon does is deduct your ping from the remaining duration when the acknowledgement is received.

This is something the game should already do, the addon would not exist if SE fixed this issue with animation locks. The tool still doesn't let you weave oGCDs faster than a 0 ping environment would, it simply makes the game's animation lock behave as if you were playing with 0 ping.

... You can set it to go below 0 ping equivalence. This is one of the things that the pvp bots were doing.

[Shibi]

This is something the game should already do, the addon would not exist if SE fixed this issue with animation locks. The tool still doesn't let you weave oGCDs faster than a 0 ping environment would, it simply makes the game's animation lock behave as if you were playing with 0 ping.

Ah interesting, so my ping is close to 300ms on a good day; would I be able to perform a 6ms ping rotation and it queue up and hit the servers out of sync to me? Or would I still be doing one spell every 600ms (return time) no matter what?

(sounds very cheaty, but the fault is ultimately SE's absolutely crap programming ability)

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That sounds a bit.... Cheaty....

The only mod that has an official pass is reshade. Everything else is nono.

[ZedxKayn]

That sounds a bit.... Cheaty....

Regardless of whether it's allowed or not I don't think it feels very much like "cheating" if it's to attain something someone with a better ping can get

It's more like a workaround for janky netcode

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Regardless of whether it's allowed or not I don't think it feels very much like "cheating" if it's to attain something someone with a better ping can get

It's more like a workaround for janky netcode

Except it's adjusting skill timers. That is not cool.

If SE adjusted ogcd timers that's one thing, and I would advocate for that to make it more friendly to people with higher ping, but this? No.