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  1. #101
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    MorionQ's Avatar
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    Mimi Bellerose
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Popping in late here; The egi pets and Summoner job in general getting such a massive restructuring has me even more anxious for how Scholar will be treated in Endwalker on top of Sage’s introduction. We’ve already lost Selene’s unique utilities and Lily herself is actually very underpowered for what the lore pushes. Selene verses Eos is now just glam, and all of our DoT based tools are just gone. We aren’t bad healers (insofar as a good SCH can clear everything), we’re just comparatively worse than WHM/AST in how the job flows.

    Basically, the pet jobs just kinda fell apart the more and more the level cap went up.
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  2. #102
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    I did like the short Mrhappy interview because we got some insight that YoshiP wants all his dev team to get good to tackle Ultimate on a whim, and how much he praises Blizzard to this day because they can all play at a high level. It's hard for the way they manage things but it's good to know he's open to changing their processes to make it work.

    Quote Originally Posted by MorionQ View Post
    Popping in late here; The egi pets and Summoner job in general getting such a massive restructuring has me even more anxious for how Scholar will be treated in Endwalker on top of Sage’s introduction. We’ve already lost Selene’s unique utilities and Lily herself is actually very underpowered for what the lore pushes. Selene verses Eos is now just glam, and all of our DoT based tools are just gone. We aren’t bad healers (insofar as a good SCH can clear everything), we’re just comparatively worse than WHM/AST in how the job flows.

    Basically, the pet jobs just kinda fell apart the more and more the level cap went up.
    I'd be more worried if one was an Astro main, not so much Scholar. If anything they have to make Scholar more desirable with another dedicated barrier healer. Since day one, Scholar has never been at a true disadvantage.
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  3. #103
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    Jenna Starsong
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Since day one, Scholar has never been at a true disadvantage.
    You and I seem to remember all the expansion launches very differently.
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  4. #104
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    Thea Sitori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightamethyst View Post
    You and I seem to remember all the expansion launches very differently.
    Soil Mage and deleting ED did not put Scholar at a true disadvantage, eventually they made the job pound sand.

    Nothing will ever come close to the scorn that White Mage faced at the end of Heavensward and beginning of Stormblood.
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  5. #105
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    Mimi Bellerose
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    Launch AST was so underpowered that part of why WHM was in such a bad spot during that time frame was because AST was overbuffed and became the better HoT healer. And I feel like SCH and AST have been back and forth with the better shield heal spot since.

    The only thing we know about Sage mechanically is the self-buffs, so my hope right now is that SCH and AST be the party buff healers and SCH getting some of Selene’s old skills back, where as WHM and SGE are more on personal DPS being high.


    Just a few days left until we find out anything....
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  6. #106
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    Rica Elak'ha
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorionQ View Post
    Just a few days left until we find out anything....
    Don't get too excited, they probably won't talk about any of that stuff during FanFest. Usually we got information concerning the battle system in a separate Live Letter that was after all the FanFests around May, so with the delay, we probably won't get any battle system glimpses prior to July.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

  7. #107
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Soil Mage and deleting ED did not put Scholar at a true disadvantage, eventually they made the job pound sand.

    Nothing will ever come close to the scorn that White Mage faced at the end of Heavensward and beginning of Stormblood.
    SCH was pretty much unplayable at the start of Stormblood. I'm not sure what you seem to be remembering but it was a bloody mess to even heal in dungeons, let alone higher end content. We had to get buffed almost on the next available patch because it was such a mess.
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    Last edited by Enla; 05-12-2021 at 06:09 PM.

  8. #108
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    Ravor Elliard
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    Atomos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    This is just my personal experience, when using white mage and astrologian from lvl 1 to 80, I find it very friendly class both for newbie when managing who to heal, area, mana management, etc etc and very epic for veteran/expert player, but while using scholar I felt very unfriendly to play for newbie, very limited choise of skill to use and mana management is very hard, as for veteran/expert player, scholar can be very strict and need a good timing to use any of the skill (also epic btw)

    In my conclusion, white mage and astrologian did a good job for newbie and expert just fine, while scholar is a very situasional healer, this is just my personal opinion but i can just use white mage or astro and be ready for any situation at all, while using scholar, especially in duty roullete that need 2 healer, you can always have easier life with 2 white mage or 2 astro, but having 2 scholar? if both are expert, yeah it will be easy, but if both newbie? its gonna feel really hard
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    Have a Good Day and Play hard with Fun

  9. #109
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    Adonis Peachblossom
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    Midgardsormr
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    Bard Lv 100
    Haven't played SMN in quite some time but this possible overhaul is both interesting and nerve wracking.
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  10. #110
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    Cynehild Westknight
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    Jenova
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    Warrior Lv 96
    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Well how many trances does the job need? How long of a rotation do people want? Is Summoner really so broke it needs to be burned to the ground?
    It needs enough to let me summon Hydaelyn and shatter my enemies into multiple dimensions.
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