The odd cutscene with Y'shtola and Runar in 5.3

[Mansion]

we also got Ryne and Gaia currently chillin on the first and both are certainly to reappear in the story down the line.

I hope not.


Back to the topic, it is the same sound we hear when when Urianger falls in the water in 5.2 . So I just assumed it was a sign that the manifestation of them on the First was nearing its limit, which was a big deal in 5.3.
I just thought Y'shtola's speech to Runar was a good intentioned lie, or just a way for her to stress how she is attached to him... I never thought more about it really.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Y'shtola found a way back to the First actually. Her character hasn't seen major plot relevance for a while and I wonder if 6.0 will either bring her back in the spotlight or if it could be a way to give her some kind of quiet retirement, given that her days are counted and that she has escaped death 3 times I believe.

[Kesey]

I hope not.


Back to the topic, it is the same sound we hear when when Urianger falls in the water in 5.2 . So I just assumed it was a sign that the manifestation of them on the First was nearing its limit, which was a big deal in 5.3.
I just thought Y'shtola's speech to Runar was a good intentioned lie, or just a way for her to stress how she is attached to him... I never thought more about it really.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Y'shtola found a way back to the First actually. Her character hasn't seen major plot relevance for a while and I wonder if 6.0 will either bring her back in the spotlight or if it could be a way to give her some kind of quiet retirement, given that her days are counted and that she has escaped death 3 times I believe.

Actually, I think the scene you reference shows the sound effect is specifically used to let you know something is off. Which makes the concerns expressed in this thread all the more legitimate. In Urianger's case it shows that despite his connection with the fae, they will continue to play tricks on him and it was foolish of him to rely on them for a water walking magic.

In Y'shtola's example, she was about to give Runar the same kind of excuse she has given hopeful men all throughout the game. But the music plays and she changes her tune promising to come back. Many players over looked it because the subtext of the interaction is Y'shtola might have real feelings for Runar. The rest of the interaction is clearly setting up one of two things, if not both. One, giving a reason to retire Y'shtola post Endwalker to make room for new cast. Second, to open up the possibilities of shard travel within lore cannon.

[RyuDragnier]

I hope not.

Ryne is the Oracle of Light, and would have the ability to world hop like Minfillia did, and Gaia's power would allow the same. They're most certainly going to show back up in Endwalker, probably during the lead up to the final battle.

[Mansion]

Actually, I think the scene you reference shows the sound effect is specifically used to let you know something is off. Which makes the concerns expressed in this thread all the more legitimate. In Urianger's case it shows that despite his connection with the fae, they will continue to play tricks on him and it was foolish of him to rely on them for a water walking magic.

In Y'shtola's example, she was about to give Runar the same kind of excuse she has given hopeful men all throughout the game. But the music plays and she changes her tune promising to come back. Many players over looked it because the subtext of the interaction is Y'shtola might have real feelings for Runar. The rest of the interaction is clearly setting up one of two things, if not both. One, giving a reason to retire Y'shtola post Endwalker to make room for new cast. Second, to open up the possibilities of shard travel within lore cannon.

Perhaps, but that would be the first time we have such a complex nd intricate subtext meaning. FFXIV is quite straightforward most of the time, that's why I never dig too deep in isolated element. This reminds me of how people over-speculated about Thordan's death scene and speech when in the end it was all about cinematography as they said, and not foreshadowing anything...
But I love this moment before an expansion where our theories get wild!

Ryne is the Oracle of Light, and would have the ability to world hop like Minfillia did, and Gaia's power would allow the same. They're most certainly going to show back up in Endwalker, probably during the lead up to the final battle.

Didn't Minfilia took her retreat from Ryne though, in that scene in Ahm Araeng? I imagined it would shut of some of her power...
In any case, I don't really care if they can hop between shards or not, the writers can create what they want. I just don't think the characters were great to begin with... they felt a bit too much support (Ryne is Thancred's character development, and Gaia exists to keep Ryne company), I don't need to see more of them. Maybe a set of quests like we had for Ishgard or Doma to see how the world goes on, but I doubt they will come back in the MSQ.

[Rosenstrauch]

I was always under the impression that Minfilia traveling to the First was possible due to the Echo, not Hydaelyn's Blessing. And whether or not Ryne even has the Echo is something of a tossup. I'm inclined to believe she doesn't because she's not actually Minfilia reincarnated, but that's a whole other can of worms to get into here.

Regardless, at the end of Eden's Promise, the two actually talk about the subject of traveling to the Source, and conclude that Gaia can do it, but Ryne can't. Which, well, that's not actually true for the reasons I went into earlier. And it's not actually explained why Ryne thinks she can't, or why Gaia thinks she can. It's pretty much left up to the player to remember that Gaia can traverse the Void on her own, and the manner of doing it doesn't actually preclude taking Ryne with her... so that's a whole other can of worms too, lol.

[Cilia]

Minfilia basically ceased to have an independent physical form after allowing Hydaelyn to absorb her, so being able to traverse the Rift in the state she was in makes sense.

Based on what resources are available, traversing the Rift with one's physical body intact is implausible if not impossible. The PC needed a hole punched in reality, specifically for them, a nigh-infinite store of aether (the Crystal Tower), a manipulator to get things just right (the Tycoon), and an archmage linked directly to said Tower to do it. And it still took several tries. It might be possible but it's impractical to the extreme with what's available.

Which to get back to the original argument is what it's about - Y'shtola's saying that despite what was previously believed traversing the Rift is possible, and she intends to figure out how to do it. (Or at least make it more practical.)

[Sophie_Lo]

In Y'shtola's example, she was about to give Runar the same kind of excuse she has given hopeful men all throughout the game. But the music plays and she changes her tune promising to come back. Many players over looked it because the subtext of the interaction is Y'shtola might have real feelings for Runar. The rest of the interaction is clearly setting up one of two things, if not both. One, giving a reason to retire Y'shtola post Endwalker to make room for new cast. Second, to open up the possibilities of shard travel within lore cannon.

I personally think its because that's what she truly desires, and should she prove successful in returning or not, she knows her time is very nearly up. The sound, I believe, underlines that knowledge.

[TaleraRistain]

I didn't find anything odd about the scene. Interdimensional travel has been said to be impossible but obviously it's not, so figuring out how to do it is a challenge she's willing to tackle when there's spare time.

Just Y'shtola being Y'shtola.

That's how I saw it. She knows inter-shard travel is possible now. Of course she's going to work out how to do it. Especially because she has a reason to want to come back. Whether it's platonic for her or romantic, she's close to Runar.

[Riastrad]

This game is truly made of callbacks and almost anything that has been said by the main characters should be taken as a hint for a plot point further down the line.

Y'shtola is who I am banking all of my hopes on at the current time. If anyone can make it work, it's her. Besides, if not for Minfillia/Ryne returning (Ryne being the only trust without access to a proper job thus making her return with a proper one seems likely) then I at least want Lyna to be reunited with her father. Bittersweet and sad endings are so incredibly played out.

[Catwho]

In FFXI, the ability to dimension hop was eventually discovered by the master black mage Shantotto. She got stuck the first time, and in the other dimensions, her other selves had also figured it out, and came to visit your version of the world for a while. ("A Shantotto Ascension." Best of the mini DLCs.)

This is why it's not that big a deal that she came to FFXIV during one of the very very early crossover events.

I presume that if anyone in XIV can figure it out, it's master caster Y'shtola.