Point in gearing up?

[Liam_Harper]

No reason besides unlocking duty requirements, endgame raiding and contributing more to your team wherever there isn't an item level synch. Gearing for next expansion isn't too difficult, there are a range of easy options to grab 510-530 loot.

It has the advantage over WoW that gear is not an endless grind for tier pieces and legendries and artifact powers and what not to try and keep up with your friends and guild. It's more relaxed and you can gear an alt for Savage in reasonable time.

Sadly we don't have Mythic+ dungeons.

[kaynide]

Hi there!

Just some general information for how the game has handled past expansions for your planning:

1) Kind of echoing what has been said but you never ever need to gear up unless you plan to engage in certain content.

2) As the expansion comes to a close, the final gear sets are typically the same power level as the first three dungeons of the expansion:
>Final Alliance Raid is typically equal to drops in the first dungeon of the new expansion. (1 level in)
>Final Augmented Tomestone series is typically equal to those of the second dungeon. (3 levels in)
>Final 8-man Raid is typically equal or near the third dungeon. (5 levels in)

3) As always, you can expect to get gear as you progress the MSQ, or alternatively worst case there will be NPC vendors that sell gear appropriate to get you into the first dungeon.



NOTE: Obviously I don't know if there will be adjustments, but this has been the pattern since 2.0 went to 3.0.

[Hikelos]

Sadly we don't have Mythic+ dungeons.

M+ is a horrifying, terrible system that (along with other terrible systems) murdered the WoW subcount from 14m to 2m.
"Infinite" gear progression is a scam, and it brings with it a pyramid scheme-like environment where the people with the most gear get spots in raids and dungeons, and the people below a certain threshold simply hit a huge, arbitrary wall in their progression that is simply unnecessary.

The problem with gear in FFXIV is not the length of its progression, it's:
1) You are not allowed to use your gear anywhere outside of where you get the gear. Dungeons scale your gear down, PVP does not take gear into account, I do believe Bozja also scales your gear down. The only place where 530ilvl will help you, outside of the current raid wing, is either farming old EX Trials unsynced (unnecessary to be above 500 anyway) , and farming FATEs in the open world.
2) Outside of Ultimate, gear above crafted is not needed at all, and won't make a big difference.
3) Crafted gear is too cheap and powerful and negates progression entirely. World 1st Raiders simply go into a new savage tier with the crafted set on, and complete it in around 24h, which isn't to say everyone does that, but it does mean it is possible and that's a problem.

In short, the problem boils down to the question "Why do you want the gear?" and currently, there is no reasonable answer to that question, other than "I want the dyeable gear for glamour".

WoW's gear is exciting and relevant, NOT because you have a 1% chance of it Turboforging 100extra ilvl with a socket and a tertiary stat, but because that gear defines your gameplay for the rest of the time you're not raiding.
It's relevant in PVP, open world, Open world pvp, dungeons, daily chores, etc.
Essentially, it gives you a tangible return for the time and effort you invested, and "infinite" progression simply isn't a component that makes that formula work.

Bit of a tangent, but a microcosm of this issue is Eureka VS Bozja.
Eureka's leveling system gave you very very tangible feedback for your progression through it, while Bozja is the same from start to finish.
Even the Baldesion Arsenal gear fed into this progression, it was memorable how the 2nd or 3rd time through it people who got a couple pieces of the set were finally able to see the mobs' level because they grew in power, while the Bozja gear is simply yet another skin for your character.

[CKNovel]

The problem with gear in FFXIV is not the length of its progression, it's:
1) You are not allowed to use your gear anywhere outside of where you get the gear. Dungeons scale your gear down, PVP does not take gear into account, I do believe Bozja also scales your gear down. The only place where 530ilvl will help you, outside of the current raid wing, is either farming old EX Trials unsynced (unnecessary to be above 500 anyway) , and farming FATEs in the open world.
2) Outside of Ultimate, gear above crafted is not needed at all, and won't make a big difference.
3) Crafted gear is too cheap and powerful and negates progression entirely. World 1st Raiders simply go into a new savage tier with the crafted set on, and complete it in around 24h, which isn't to say everyone does that, but it does mean it is possible and that's a problem.

In short, the problem boils down to the question "Why do you want the gear?" and currently, there is no reasonable answer to that question, other than "I want the dyeable gear for glamour".

Gearing helps in:
-Any savages from this expansion to previous one.
-Current and older EX trials, there's no Ilvl sync from Titania EX to Diamond EX.
-Expert roulette, both dungeons in the roulette don't have ilvl sync.

And as you mentionned... Fate.
Gearing above average ilvl doesn't helps in:
-Unreal trial (why.)
-Ultimate, you can get 5 additionnal ilvl compared to when it was released but that's it.
-Bozja, it is casual content and needs to set every players at the same level.
-Pvp, it's already not popular, gear would make it less popular.
-Older dungeon from 2 patches ago (5.3 and so on)

Also your 3rd point, please remember that world first are not average players. They're the top of the cake that dedicate themselves to the game.
If we were to find 8 people of exactly your level in their respective roles, I doubt they could clear savage with only crafted gear. It's possible, but it's much harder than you can imagine, more than 95% of the active player couldn't hope to achieve this.
On top of that, first Alexander tier had a gear check and it simply artificially pushed back the world first.

[GeminiReed]

1) You are not allowed to use your gear anywhere outside of where you get the gear. Dungeons scale your gear down, PVP does not take gear into account, ...

Gear dependent PVP is a travesty. The only people I see adamant that it be a thing aren't all that interested in fair fights. The only times I've seen PvP gear "work" was when the gear/ungeared gap was so small the developer effort required would have been better spent elsewhere.

[Sathona]

Gear dependent PVP is a travesty. The only people I see adamant that it be a thing aren't all that interested in fair fights. The only times I've seen PvP gear "work" was when the gear/ungeared gap was so small the developer effort required would have been better spent elsewhere.

gear dependent pvp from my experience in several games all these years was to please awful players and/or whales, since that was the only way they could beat skilled players xD
dumb and unnecessery system

[Jojoya]

The 5.5 dungeon has a minimum average ilvl requirement of 490 if you intend to progress in the MSQ. You'll want to get at least one job to that level. Beyond that, there's no rush to gear up unless you intend to participate in high end content.

I wouldn't skip opportunities to gear up your primary job(s) more, though. Better gear helps you get combat content done that much quicker. I just wouldn't go out of the way to gear up fast.

M+ is a horrifying, terrible system that (along with other terrible systems) murdered the WoW subcount from 14m to 2m.
"Infinite" gear progression is a scam, and it brings with it a pyramid scheme-like environment where the people with the most gear get spots in raids and dungeons, and the people below a certain threshold simply hit a huge, arbitrary wall in their progression that is simply unnecessary.

As a style of content, Mythic+ is fine for those players who are into speedrunning (which I'm not). The problem, as you point out, is the reward system being intertwined with the rest of the game. Keep the reward system independent so it doesn't affect the balance of the gear/reward system in the rest of the game and there would be no problem. SE can look at Save the Queen as a good example of a rewards system not upsetting balance outside of that content.

To remove the gear drama, an ilvl sync could also be imposed so gear offers no advantage. You're still going to run into player insistence on meta comps but that's less of a problem here than in WoW since characters here can be every class so you don't have to switch characters like you would in WoW.

[Karl0217]

If previous expansions are any indication i530 gear won't be outclassed till the level 85 dungeon gear. A full set of i530 gear will get you half-way through the expansion.

[Iscah]

If previous expansions are any indication i530 gear won't be outclassed till the level 85 dungeon gear. A full set of i530 gear will get you half-way through the expansion.

I don't feel like that's enough of a reason in itself to put the effort into gearing up now. It's just doing work now so you can save it later, and the later option is easier.

If you're playing the game because you want to, and essentially getting revelation times as a byproduct of gameplay, of course you're going to spend them to gear up. But if you don't actually need it for high-level gameplay now, there's no need to put effort in just to earn the Cryptlurker gear when you'll be fine going into Endwalker in a mix of Paglth'an/Edenmete/Type-55/Crystarium gear and updating with free MSQ and dungeon gear as you go.

There's very little in the Crypt sets that feels worth getting, glamour-wise, and I'd rather put my gameplay effort into other things.

[kaynide]

I don't feel like that's enough of a reason in itself to put the effort into gearing up now. It's just doing work now so you can save it later, and the later option is easier.

Pretty much this; Kinda eluded to above, but the easiest option by far is just getting gear in MSQ/Early NPC vendors to get the iLVL needed for the first dungeon. This game absolutely throws gear at the player, so gear should not be a worry.

OP, your time would be better spent leveling an additional class tbh.