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[ZedxKayn]

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That's a lot of text to write "I don't like the way healing works in FFXIV."

Terrible move to not raise your cohealer because they were DPSing and not healing when you leave them nothing to heal btw.

[IceBlueNinja]

That's a lot of text to write "I don't like the way healing works in FFXIV."

Terrible move to not raise your cohealer because they were DPSing and not healing when you leave them nothing to heal btw.

Oh yeah I can say the same to when rdm/smn dont res healers who are new to things and both healers are down. Also maybe not you but to make it maybe more clear for you, co healer dies*as i mention about alpha scape* you res them and they dpsing and not heal themselves so why bother trying to res em specially if am keeping the team alive solo. If i die and get res makes 100% Sense to sling a heal on myself asap or abuse the transcent buff to avoid the damage which is another thing people dont seem to make use of. Also am I the only one the wrote a long txt? No am sure there is another person who did on page one. Hypocrisy is real.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

That's a lot of text to write "I don't like the way healing works in FFXIV."
Terrible move to not raise your cohealer because they were DPSing and not healing when you leave them nothing to heal btw.

Worse, more than often those are also the healers that actually complains for being the 'only one' doing all the heals despite choosing to do that themselves. It's a petty move. Watching HP bar isn't the only thing we do.. /smh

[IceBlueNinja]

Worse, more than often those are also the healers that actually complains for being the 'only one' doing all the heals despite choosing to do that themselves. It's a petty move. Watching HP bar isn't the only thing we do.. /smh

No I dont complain but ty for assuming so, if I solo heal the party fine+dps without needing the dps green bot co healer or it win win for me. It actually is making me know I can do my job effective without having to count on someone else because ast kit is so powerful enough to handle things specially for co healer dps bots or situations where the other heal had dced.There are some dps or tank who calls out dps bots anyway without even me having to say a thing and I don't even say anything about dps bots anymore and do my thing .Example sam + tank who call out the green dps white mage in alpha scape. Good luck trying to out any actual dps job especially samurai/blm green dspers. People play a job for what it is design for whether you or the many disagree with the OP or me because sorry am the one who dont join the bandwagon and roast the op post like you and some who commonly do on every post. Is it a crime to agree with someone who shares your same thoughts?

[ZedxKayn]

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Lol your initial post had nothing but complaints.

Any healer can solo heal casual content because it hits like wet noodles.
Even harder content can mostly be solo-healed by any healer job.

In Alphascape, and nearly every casual content for that matter, there is nothing wrong with a WHM glaring on, especially matched with an AST because an AST can cover the healing without losing DPS in the process, whereas a WHM cannot.

Like every job, healers are designed to squeeze as much damage as they possibly can. It's also a form of healing by prevention. If we weren't designed for that, we wouldn't have DPS spells, we wouldn't have to fight in solo duties, we wouldn't be needed to beat enrages. We're all DPS, healers and tanks just have extra responsibilities in exchange for reduced complexities of their DPS rotation.

[IceBlueNinja]

Lol your initial post had nothing but complaints.

Any healer can solo heal casual content because it hits like wet noodles.
Even harder content can mostly be solo-healed by any healer job.

In Alphascape, and nearly every casual content for that matter, there is nothing wrong with a WHM glaring on, especially matched with an AST because an AST can cover the healing without losing DPS in the process, whereas a WHM cannot.

Like every job, healers are designed to squeeze as much damage as they possibly can. It's also a form of healing by prevention. If we weren't designed for that, we wouldn't have DPS spells, we wouldn't have to fight in solo duties, we wouldn't be needed to beat enrages. We're all DPS, healers and tanks just have extra responsibilities in exchange for reduced complexities of their DPS rotation.

Your countering your own point there to the fact you say whm cant cover the healing and so your saying then that whm should be focusing dps and no heal then lol. You do not know what complaints vs statements are first of all, I am not complaining about anything I simply said I agree about this post this person put that the mind set of healers in this game is annoying and anyone that love to dps so much should simply play a full dps job if they do 10% or 0% heals , you seem to like me or something why your always ready to mouth off at me. Yes am glad we only have 1 dot and 1 dps spell because that is the reason for the term=healer. hence why sch got all that dps taken away. Ill say for like the 100th time if I care that much about dps dps and dps I would play the many dps jobs available and again i balance of dps+heals not over heal or over dps. So since you also admit any healer can solo cover heal then why you mouth off about me saying I aint resing a co healer who just dps and dont help specially if I res them and they dpsing instead of healing themselves or pick up other dead people but am doing it just fine since I must now sac my dps to pick up and heal up everyone solo? LOL your something.

[ZedxKayn]

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Learn to read please. I said a WHM cannot solo heal without suffering a DPS loss. WHM and SCH are still very capable of solo healing every casual content but unlike AST they will have to sacrifice potency for it.

I don't care about you specifically, but each time you posted, you've been wrong or displayed a nasty mindset, it's baffling and worth calling out. If I hadn't done it, someone else would have eventually.

If you did savage like you claimed to have in that other thread, you wouldn't be asking this question.
By not raising a healer, you're lowering the party's DPS output, and in case things further go south, possibly condemning the run, and that's a big no-no.
You're also just straight up griefing over a petty grievance induced by misinformation or misplaced disdain/pride.

[IceBlueNinja]

Learn to read please. I said a WHM cannot solo heal without suffering a DPS loss. WHM and SCH are still very capable of solo healing every casual content but unlike AST they will have to sacrifice potency for it.

I don't care about you specifically, but each time you posted, you've been wrong or displayed a nasty mindset, it's baffling and worth calling out. If I hadn't done it, someone else would have eventually.

If you did savage like you claimed to have in that other thread, you wouldn't be asking this question.
By not raising a healer, you're lowering the party's DPS output, and in case things further go south, possibly condemning the run, and that's a big no-no.
You're also just straight up griefing over a petty grievance induced by misinformation or misplaced disdain/pride.

Your the one who should learn to read when i say i do both heal+dps and sorry there others games or other things to do with my time than just 14 that I dont care about raid/exs as much? Fyi if you forgot when I say most times am doing gathering or crafting because it became fun and interesting, making gil to try get my own plot. No you are the one who rude and love to assume things so do not act as if your not by claiming am terrible for not picking up a co healing dps bot who aint even doing not a bit of shield/regens whether whm/sch or even if another ast not even play cards/divi or half the kit. Aint no such thing as griefing it seem because maybe SE is smart to check logs and see how i dps+heal/res while the co just dps bot. oh if you wanna talk about petty griefing then the one time I played pld in matoya and the healer died. the dps was sam+smn. Sure we clear it without the healer since I was able to clem but both of them must be in a party and smn was like gg that is how you do it without healer and ofc I said nothing and just left. what do you say to that then about rdms/smns who refuse to pick up healers if they both died aint that greifing too?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

No I dont complain but ty for assuming so-

Let me to stop you right there
First of all, allow me to clarify that my post you quoted was made purely to add about 'generic complainer healer who overheals' that I've seen in my gameplay experience. It bears no intention to specifically call you out cause honestly speaking? I don't even know you as a player nor how you play healers in-game.
Second of all.... (now that I've read all...)
Re-read your own initial post once again---heck, even listen to yourself as you read that out loud before you even type any further replies. What do you call that wall of text then? Here, let me point you which one specifically:

I understand how annoying that can be[...]

Fun aside, OP was venting about situations that unlikely to reflect how it could be the fault of a single role: healer, albeit the statements are also mostly one-sided. It was an echo chamber bait, but clearly plenty around here are perceptive enough. Majority simply disagree. You did not, which is fine. However, then you -also- shared your own story. Essentially you're putting yourself as potential subject of agreement and disagreements just like OP's.

But nevermind that. While I was taking my time writing this reply I also got to see how you and Zedx interact---it's crystal clear now that you simply do not leave any room for healthy exchanges & potential improvements; such is the nature of this medium called 'Forum'. It really saves me a lot of paragraphs of any attempts to offer corrections, something that Zedx also tried.