How many times...

[IceBlueNinja]

Have a had a healer pulling ahead when dps is terrible. How many times have I had a healer standing there dpsing, I die and hes quick to rez but can't heal. How many times have a had a healer complain about not pulling enough yet everyone is at 10% constantly while the idiot is dpsing. How many times have I had to rage quit because the healer won't heal at all. Theres a reason your job is getting pushed into pure and shield and you can blame yourselves.

I understand how annoying that can be, I do not play tank always healer and I am the type who rather keep my tank top up or party alive at all cost its why its call healer. I do not get why people dont simply just play the many dps jobs if they wanna just do 10% or 0 heals. In a 8 man+ situation how it urkes me how I be doing all the regen/shields/card/res and dps while my co healer does nothing but dps and cant help pick up 3 + people who is floored? Had a sam chew up a whm because when she died with 3 dps the sam included he has to ask her why as I pick her up and the other 3 dps myself. she is stoning and not healing herself and wont even help res. Sam even said just leave her dead if she dies again which yes she died quite a lot too and had 510 ilvl gear wow. compared to other mmos I played the mind set of healers in this game is just crazy about dps dps and dps. So yes it makes sense heal bots as we are called (though i do dps) gets coms and likes more than the green dps bots. Tbh if I find if am healing and keeping my team healthy myself and co healer dies I am not picking them up and they better hope they a smn/rdm is there to do so. Best to play with friends or fc mates if they do keep you alive more than randoms do. I feel the pain of my friends who main tanks and do those savage or ex stuff and all I hear em rant on how healers are not to be healing when they are to be, tank at 50% come and tb happen, dead tank, ok yes maybe they forgot to pop cd too we are all human and make mistakes. Lastly these red tanks (i know healers do it too but am always healer) who wanna sprint ahead and pull stuff and expect tank to take off aggro or healer to heal them and wanna report tank/healer for not doing so? If so in a hurry find people who will rush with you aka fc or friends. maybe tank is not comfy to big pull or healer? its why tank and healer communicate first head= tank and healer = heart , feet aka dps dont usually make the choices. a healer will never out dps any prime dps job specially things like a sam/blm unless they have real terrible gear and have 0 idea how to play the dps job so how is it even possible to have the highest win on numbers as healer? Though while am not on anyone side you do have some tanks, co healers and dps(not saying you) who totally gets hit by everything, or dies all the time or dont stand in the range of healing/buffs/ or is so far across other area of map and whines that they are not being healed or being res and you get called out for it(had this issue with a rdm in puppets) and I just lol and refuse to heal or res him because he had the nerves to say use shield when he the one not dodging stuff and kept dying or not being in the range of me shielding, so in a way ill then be that healer that will never heal or do anything for you if your telling me to do such and such when am already doing it.

[ZedxKayn]

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That's a lot of text to write "I don't like the way healing works in FFXIV."

Terrible move to not raise your cohealer because they were DPSing and not healing when you leave them nothing to heal btw.

[IceBlueNinja]

That's a lot of text to write "I don't like the way healing works in FFXIV."

Terrible move to not raise your cohealer because they were DPSing and not healing when you leave them nothing to heal btw.

Oh yeah I can say the same to when rdm/smn dont res healers who are new to things and both healers are down. Also maybe not you but to make it maybe more clear for you, co healer dies*as i mention about alpha scape* you res them and they dpsing and not heal themselves so why bother trying to res em specially if am keeping the team alive solo. If i die and get res makes 100% Sense to sling a heal on myself asap or abuse the transcent buff to avoid the damage which is another thing people dont seem to make use of. Also am I the only one the wrote a long txt? No am sure there is another person who did on page one. Hypocrisy is real.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

That's a lot of text to write "I don't like the way healing works in FFXIV."
Terrible move to not raise your cohealer because they were DPSing and not healing when you leave them nothing to heal btw.

Worse, more than often those are also the healers that actually complains for being the 'only one' doing all the heals despite choosing to do that themselves. It's a petty move. Watching HP bar isn't the only thing we do.. /smh

[IceBlueNinja]

Worse, more than often those are also the healers that actually complains for being the 'only one' doing all the heals despite choosing to do that themselves. It's a petty move. Watching HP bar isn't the only thing we do.. /smh

No I dont complain but ty for assuming so, if I solo heal the party fine+dps without needing the dps green bot co healer or it win win for me. It actually is making me know I can do my job effective without having to count on someone else because ast kit is so powerful enough to handle things specially for co healer dps bots or situations where the other heal had dced.There are some dps or tank who calls out dps bots anyway without even me having to say a thing and I don't even say anything about dps bots anymore and do my thing .Example sam + tank who call out the green dps white mage in alpha scape. Good luck trying to out any actual dps job especially samurai/blm green dspers. People play a job for what it is design for whether you or the many disagree with the OP or me because sorry am the one who dont join the bandwagon and roast the op post like you and some who commonly do on every post. Is it a crime to agree with someone who shares your same thoughts?

[ZedxKayn]

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Lol your initial post had nothing but complaints.

Any healer can solo heal casual content because it hits like wet noodles.
Even harder content can mostly be solo-healed by any healer job.

In Alphascape, and nearly every casual content for that matter, there is nothing wrong with a WHM glaring on, especially matched with an AST because an AST can cover the healing without losing DPS in the process, whereas a WHM cannot.

Like every job, healers are designed to squeeze as much damage as they possibly can. It's also a form of healing by prevention. If we weren't designed for that, we wouldn't have DPS spells, we wouldn't have to fight in solo duties, we wouldn't be needed to beat enrages. We're all DPS, healers and tanks just have extra responsibilities in exchange for reduced complexities of their DPS rotation.

[IceBlueNinja]

Lol your initial post had nothing but complaints.

Any healer can solo heal casual content because it hits like wet noodles.
Even harder content can mostly be solo-healed by any healer job.

In Alphascape, and nearly every casual content for that matter, there is nothing wrong with a WHM glaring on, especially matched with an AST because an AST can cover the healing without losing DPS in the process, whereas a WHM cannot.

Like every job, healers are designed to squeeze as much damage as they possibly can. It's also a form of healing by prevention. If we weren't designed for that, we wouldn't have DPS spells, we wouldn't have to fight in solo duties, we wouldn't be needed to beat enrages. We're all DPS, healers and tanks just have extra responsibilities in exchange for reduced complexities of their DPS rotation.

Your countering your own point there to the fact you say whm cant cover the healing and so your saying then that whm should be focusing dps and no heal then lol. You do not know what complaints vs statements are first of all, I am not complaining about anything I simply said I agree about this post this person put that the mind set of healers in this game is annoying and anyone that love to dps so much should simply play a full dps job if they do 10% or 0% heals , you seem to like me or something why your always ready to mouth off at me. Yes am glad we only have 1 dot and 1 dps spell because that is the reason for the term=healer. hence why sch got all that dps taken away. Ill say for like the 100th time if I care that much about dps dps and dps I would play the many dps jobs available and again i balance of dps+heals not over heal or over dps. So since you also admit any healer can solo cover heal then why you mouth off about me saying I aint resing a co healer who just dps and dont help specially if I res them and they dpsing instead of healing themselves or pick up other dead people but am doing it just fine since I must now sac my dps to pick up and heal up everyone solo? LOL your something.

[ZedxKayn]

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Learn to read please. I said a WHM cannot solo heal without suffering a DPS loss. WHM and SCH are still very capable of solo healing every casual content but unlike AST they will have to sacrifice potency for it.

I don't care about you specifically, but each time you posted, you've been wrong or displayed a nasty mindset, it's baffling and worth calling out. If I hadn't done it, someone else would have eventually.

If you did savage like you claimed to have in that other thread, you wouldn't be asking this question.
By not raising a healer, you're lowering the party's DPS output, and in case things further go south, possibly condemning the run, and that's a big no-no.
You're also just straight up griefing over a petty grievance induced by misinformation or misplaced disdain/pride.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

No I dont complain but ty for assuming so-

Let me to stop you right there
First of all, allow me to clarify that my post you quoted was made purely to add about 'generic complainer healer who overheals' that I've seen in my gameplay experience. It bears no intention to specifically call you out cause honestly speaking? I don't even know you as a player nor how you play healers in-game.
Second of all.... (now that I've read all...)
Re-read your own initial post once again---heck, even listen to yourself as you read that out loud before you even type any further replies. What do you call that wall of text then? Here, let me point you which one specifically:

I understand how annoying that can be[...]

Fun aside, OP was venting about situations that unlikely to reflect how it could be the fault of a single role: healer, albeit the statements are also mostly one-sided. It was an echo chamber bait, but clearly plenty around here are perceptive enough. Majority simply disagree. You did not, which is fine. However, then you -also- shared your own story. Essentially you're putting yourself as potential subject of agreement and disagreements just like OP's.

But nevermind that. While I was taking my time writing this reply I also got to see how you and Zedx interact---it's crystal clear now that you simply do not leave any room for healthy exchanges & potential improvements; such is the nature of this medium called 'Forum'. It really saves me a lot of paragraphs of any attempts to offer corrections, something that Zedx also tried.