Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[strawberrycake]

What? The response to Shadowbringers has been extremely positive—I'm really not sure what we're talking about in this thread. This really seems to be inflating relatively rare criticism (from a tiny, self-selecting sliver of the player base on the forum) into some tsunami of hostility that doesn't actually exist.

Go look at the WoW forums/Reddit—that is a hostile response.

You seem to be missing my point, Hardcore players defending wanting more high end content, feeling as if casuals are being favored, and the same happens in return to casuals feeling that hardcore players are elitist and at times they're favored. This has happened several times this expansion, with casuals losing multiple dungeons, and again with hardcore players losing an ultimate.

But my main point is that the dev team is suffering and wants to do more, but cannot, the focus is not solely on the sides of the community, and I'm a WoW player currently so I'm well aware of how they react.

[Nayout]

What? The response to Shadowbringers has been extremely positive—I'm really not sure what we're talking about in this thread. This really seems to be inflating relatively rare criticism (from a tiny, self-selecting sliver of the player base on the forum) into some tsunami of hostility that doesn't actually exist.

Go look at the WoW forums/Reddit—that is a hostile response.

Because when people talk about FFXIV they only know how to talk about the history because when talking about the contents of the expansions they have no absolute idea, why do you think that when people talk about Heavensward they never mention the Diadem fiasco? Because people don't know.

[strawberrycake]

Because when people talk about FFXIV they only know how to talk about the history because when talking about the contents of the expansions they have no absolute idea, why do you think that when people talk about Heavensward they never mention the Diadem fiasco? Because people don't know.

I was actually around for Original Diadem, I never got my drops from there, the idea seemed neat tho

Edit: I've been around since ARR in fact

[LittleImp]

They've gotta take resources from somewhere to pay for their string of recent embarassments. Balan Wonderworld, Left Alive, Outriders, Marvel's Avengers, Oninaki, Just Cause..

0 dungeons per patch and reused balan wonderworld assets incoming in endwalker.

[Vahlnir]

They've gotta take resources from somewhere to pay for their string of recent embarassments. Balan Wonderworld, Left Alive, Outriders, Marvel's Avengers, Oninaki, Just Cause..

0 dungeons per patch and reused balan wonderworld assets incoming in endwalker.

Out of all of those, Avengers hit them the hardest. They lost millions from that one and took a pretty big PR hit besides.

It's pretty much their only stable product; a continuous flow of income.

Yeah, which is why it's a shame that it doesn't get a bigger budget. Instead of trying to put all their eggs in 1249102 baskets, they should put a lot of them (or at least a modest amount of them) in one that has proven to be reliable and go from there.

[strawberrycake]

I'm a new(-ish) player so I have to ask: do we really get less content compared to previous expansions? I'm asking because I'm from GW2, that game gets like 10% of XIV's (current) content. I'm impressed by the amount of new stuff we get in XIV all the time and that's why I don't mind the sub fee. I can't even imagine that there was even more content in the past! How was it more/different in HW and SB? What kind of content is missing in ShB (besides ultimates)?

So far we've Lost, deepdungeons, a whole form of sidestory content know as Hildabrand, We used to get multiple dungeons a patch, multiple PvP updates, new gear, 2 forms of endgame content known as Ultimates, Cut content from the Firmament that allowed People to contribute to it without having to be on gathers/crafters. It may mot seem like much but it feels a lot more empty without it honestly.

[Dyvid]

So far we've Lost, deepdungeons, a whole form of sidestory content know as Hildabrand, We used to get multiple dungeons a patch, multiple PvP updates, new gear, 2 forms of endgame content known as Ultimates, Cut content from the Firmament that allowed People to contribute to it without having to be on gathers/crafters. It may mot seem like much but it feels a lot more empty without it honestly.

I'll reply to this one. Obviously Covid happend and development suffered; is what it is.

Though a lot of this xpac didn't interest me for one reason or another some feature I enjoyed The Firmament. I always felt like DoH/DoL needed some kind of "end game" content and this along with relic tools fit the bill. As far a deep dungeons, I'm really not sure how popular Heaven on High was and this might have influenced them to not include another in 5.XX. PvP falls into this catergory too. Only one Ultimate but 3 Unreals, not sure if that's a trade off but there it is. ARR had too many dungeons and Shadow had to few, need a middle ground and I personal dislike the expert and Lv. 80 catergory. Just have one so we can have more variety in the DF.

Personally I don't think 5.XX lacked content giving this issues involved, it just lacked content that interested me. I would say I liked Firmament, Ocean fishing (though would like it closer to what FFXI had), and ARR flying.

I encourage everyone to let the team know what exactly they hate or missed in 5.XX and what they liked and what they would liked to see going forward.

[Vahlnir]

I'm a new(-ish) player so I have to ask: do we really get less content compared to previous expansions? I'm asking because I'm from GW2, that game gets like 10% of XIV's (current) content. I'm impressed by the amount of new stuff we get in XIV all the time and that's why I don't mind the sub fee. I can't even imagine that there was even more content in the past! How was it more/different in HW and SB? What kind of content is missing in ShB (besides ultimates)?

I think they're stretching just a bit. As far as the amount of content goes I think Shadowbringers has done pretty well. The biggest issue in my opinion is their focus on "fluff" content like Gpose and Perform, among other things. They have also made some questionable design choices that even a player with half a brain cell could have seen the future ramifications of (Castrum Lacus Litore anyone?). Shadowbringers has been a solid expansion, but has been hamstringed by their own design in some ways. They seemed to have put more of their resources in the story as well, which took away from other things.