Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[strawberrycake]

I mean, SE don't just think it, some people really enjoy that. When they tried to derail the train in Pagos a lot of people, not just the ones who were trying to stand around for an easy ride, but the ones actually out there killing the mobs to spawn the fates for the train wanted it back. They enjoyed the chill nature of just killing some mobs, chatting in shout and taking it slow, it was probably the closest Eureka came to capturing the vibe of older grinder MMO's and some people are still all over that. Though some hate it, doesn't make either right or wrong, doesn't make the content bad. That's why themepark MMO's offer variety, if you hate rollercoasters(Eukera) you're not supposed to sit on the rollercoasters and complain you hate rollercoasters, well, you can, your ticket lets you do that, but you could also get off of the rollercoaster and ride anything else in the park.

Thats just it, you spend more time outside the park then you do in. If you go to a Six flags and the attractions are outside the park, does that make sense to you? Or does it make sense to have some stuff outside the park, but all the main attractions inside.

Good desing would have been having content for the relics inside and outside, rather then making Bozja completely seperate. I'm at least saying hey, if you like how Bozja is, good! I want the relic step to have stuff for you who likes stuff outside you can do on your own time, and I hope I get stuff on the inside that I enjoy and can do on my own time!

Thats how Bozja should have been, not a massive over correction.

[SieyaM]

I mean, SE don't just think it, some people really enjoy that. When they tried to derail the train in Pagos a lot of people, not just the ones who were trying to stand around for an easy ride, but the ones actually out there killing the mobs to spawn the fates for the train wanted it back. They enjoyed the chill nature of just killing some mobs, chatting in shout and taking it slow, it was probably the closest Eureka came to capturing the vibe of older grinder MMO's and some people are still all over that. Though some hate it, doesn't make either right or wrong, doesn't make the content bad. That's why themepark MMO's offer variety, if you hate rollercoasters(Eukera) you're not supposed to sit on the rollercoasters and complain you hate rollercoasters, well, you can, your ticket lets you do that, but you could also get off of the rollercoaster and ride anything else in the park.

That would make more sense if Eureka was a different kind of rollercoaster than anything else in the park, or even Bozja for the bulk of it. FATES are FATES, no matter whether you are in Eureka, Bozja, or the world map they all operate the same way and you are doing the same thing. Bozja offers something slightly different in CEs but even those are just FATES with a lockout. Castrum is actually something a little different with requiring a small degree of group coordination to clear and BA was also something that was outside of the normal grind. These things however are just one piece of a larger part of content

[LisSquid]

But Fates are just world events with music and a circle. I really never understood WHY people hate them.

That's exactly why people hate them. It's rinse repeat of the same ol' same ol' we have seen since ARR.

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CEs are actually very fun, and a HUGE improvement from Eureka. What do I do in Bozja, then? I literally hang out at the first plaza for CEs to pop. Thats what I do. A lot of waiting around to do content that is fun. Which seems counter intuitive to the design of the zone, but it is what it is. I have no desire to do ARR content (fates, where you just mindlessly AOE) in the year 2021.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's exactly why people hate them. It's rinse repeat of the same ol' same ol' we have seen since ARR.

You can say that about literally every piece of content that exists though.

[strawberrycake]

You can say that about literally every piece of content that exists though.

ANd thats why you should want the game to be updated on its infrastructure, so the devs can no longer make content in its current stagnated state, and have more freedoms. Thats why we should embrace change and the game being something different going forward. Change isnt scary, all things must change to not stagnate like it has this expansion.

[LisSquid]

You can say that about literally every piece of content that exists though.

I'm not sure what side you're on here. Are you alright with stagnation or are you wanting SE to expand on their game design? I'd say doing HW dungeons are more engaging than fates. At least you're not sitting there spamming aoes to fill a bar to move onto the next fate to spam aoes to fill a bar to move onto the next fate to spam aoes to fill a bar...

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

ANd thats why you should want the game to be updated on its infrastructure, so the devs can no longer make content in its current stagnated state, and have more freedoms. Thats why we should embrace change and the game being something different going forward. Change isnt scary, all things must change to not stagnate like it has this expansion.

Sorry, I enjoy it the way it is. And that's fine. You don't. That's also fine. But don't act like the game is going to die.

There have been threads saying the game is dying since August 2013.


I like when they add new things and change stuff up, but I don't want a completely different game. If I did I wouldn't play this one.

[strawberrycake]

Sorry, I enjoy it the way it is. And that's fine. You don't. That's also fine. But don't act like the game is going to die.

There have been threads saying the game is dying since August 2013.

I dont think I've ever said it would die outright, but I certainly don't think it will last another 10 years in this state, FF11 is still here, thats not death. I would rather not see XIV be quietly put into maint mode without the dev team and the game reaching its potential is all.

Also building upon existing and gutted systems is a form of change, its no longer what it was, but something better, that is the change I want to see. All the while maintainig is distinct FFXIV flavor as it is.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Sorry, I enjoy it the way it is. And that's fine. You don't. That's also fine. But don't act like the game is going to die.

There have been threads saying the game is dying since August 2013.


I like when they add new things and change stuff up, but I don't want a completely different game. If I did I wouldn't play this one.

Making improvements and changes for the betterment of the game isn’t making it a completely different game. Its for the benefit of both the game, the devs, and the players.The game WILL die if nothing changes and criticism isn’t allowed and it’s just backhanded like it has been in the past. You can use most other failed mmos or even games in general to see that trend. A disconnect from the playerbase and the devs is what causes that and in this case it’ll be stemming from the community’s inability to take criticism on things. Just look at the Scottzone situation.

[BlitzAceRush]

Thats just it, you spend more time outside the park then you do in. If you go to a Six flags and the attractions are outside the park, does that make sense to you? Or does it make sense to have some stuff outside the park, but all the main attractions inside.

Good desing would have been having content for the relics inside and outside, rather then making Bozja completely seperate. I'm at least saying hey, if you like how Bozja is, good! I want the relic step to have stuff for you who likes stuff outside you can do on your own time, and I hope I get stuff on the inside that I enjoy and can do on my own time!

That's how Bozja should have been, not a massive over correction.

I literally agreed with that is my first post here, I said I'd rather it all have been in Bozja, but I also acknowledge they were trying to correct for a complaint, but you're highlighting my point, you think it's an overcorrection, yet there have been many, many complaints from people that they have to set foot inside Bozja at all, so who exactly should they listen to? The two key things they tried to fix with Bozja was "The relic isn't even part of the story" and "I don't even want to be in here" So, the relic is not actually part of the story and you can go outside for most all the steps. So even if they had made it where each step was doable inside and out easily the people who want nothing to do with Bozja would still need to do the story as the relic's are tied to it, so what then? At some point they have to listen to someone, not everyone is going to be happy which is fine, while I agree with them over correcting Bozja is a vast improvement over Eureka and hopefully they'll take those forward into the next one for Endwalker.
Also, that analogy doesn't really work, given that 14 is the themepark and Bozja is a ride, not the park itself.