Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[ZedxKayn]

Sorry? Was I speaking about other games? No, I was speaking about FFXIV and what subscription in FFXIV gives you.

And honestly, we should get more from our sub than what we're getting, which is the original argument, and has absolutely nothing to do with schedules.

[linayar]

And honestly, we should get more from our sub than what we're getting, which is the original argument, and has absolutely nothing to do with schedules.

You do get more from your sub: You get to experience content when there is more active community participation and while its difficulty hasn't been nerfed, and you get to do any limited time event if applicable, and you get to keep housing.

Other than that, different people have different priorities while the devs also have their own content schedule to work on, so if a patch has very heavy crafting/gathering content and you only like battle content, you can choose to unsubscribe and wait for future patch while knowing that things like the MSQ can be done later when you come back.

[ZedxKayn]

You do get more from your sub: You get to experience content when there is more active community participation and while its difficulty hasn't been nerfed, and you get to do any limited time event if applicable, and you get to keep housing.

Oh wow, I get to play the game and expansion packs I already bought when I pay my sub?

[linayar]

Oh wow, I get to play the game and expansion packs I already bought when I pay my sub?

Well, if you don't pay your sub, you can wait until the next expansion. I believe it comes with 30-day access? So if that's right, you can do all the content then, just with a different experience than doing it patch by patch.

[Nayout]

I believe it comes with 30-day access?.

emmmm... no

[ZedxKayn]

Well, if you don't pay your sub, you can wait until the next expansion. I believe it comes with 30-day access? So if that's right, you can do all the content then, just with a different experience than doing it patch by patch.

That's not the point.

I don't think we're getting our money worth of content for what we're spending in subs, at all, especially if on top of that you add retainer and mobile app subs, without mentioning cash-shop-only cosmetics.
SE milks XIV while giving us back as little as they can afford and it's very much worth criticizing, not trying to rationalize.

[Vahlnir]

SE milks XIV while giving us back as little as they can afford and it's very much worth criticizing, not trying to rationalize.

They've been doing this for years, but with Shadowbringers I think it was way more obvious. The pandemic didn't help things either, since everyone had to wait a while longer at the beginning for anything new to release. But despite the quality of the story going up (and perhaps the quality of some of the side stories as well), just about everything else suffered. I'd be okay with taking the story back down a notch if it meant getting more of what we did in the past.

[linayar]

emmmm... no

Huh, guess it's only for complete edition? Because I know I got a 30 day free when I started.

That's not the point.

I don't think we're getting our money worth of content for what we're spending in subs, at all, especially if on top of that you add retainer and mobile app subs, without mentioning cash-shop-only cosmetics.
SE milks XIV while giving us back as little as they can afford and it's very much worth criticizing, not trying to rationalize.

If you have any reason to access the server, then pay the subscription for that month. Only you can decide whether it's worth that subscription fee. But if you don't, then you can just wait until it's at the end and try to do all the content in one month if you think that would make it worth the subscription fee.

For me, I play the game for story and battle content, and that hasn't changed with the various expansions. I still get dungeons, trials, raids, and alliance raids, all of which add to my growing collection of potential results in the various roulettes, and I get the various story quests that accompany these contents. And they're all released at a nice, predictable pace. That means, I always have a reason to log in every month, even every week if not every day, even with no house, and that means the subscription fee is worth it.

Thus, the subscription fee is there for you to decide if there is something you want to do in the game for that month. It's not tied to what content is released because that's on their end with their own schedule. Alliance raid, for example, will still be in .1, .3, and.5 whether or not you subscribe throughout the expansion or only for parts of it.