Fix Housing Megathread

[Almagnus1]

I'm not suggesting that the apartment price be lowered or removed.

The required GC rank actually would make a difference. GC rank isn't earned by doing MSQ outside of the rank you get when you first join. It's earned through side content the new character is ignoring as they work their way through MSQ. That (not to mention the general distaste for doing Dzemael Darkhold and Aurum Vale) slows down how fast they get to the higher ranks.

A veteran player being aware of content that requires 2nd Lt might focus on getting that rank faster. New players generally don't because the game doesn't give them that information. They only learn when hear other players mention the locked content they've never seen and start asking questions.

Lowering the GC rank requirement for an apartment would definitely get some players into apartments faster, especially if at the time they get the relevant promotion there's a message stating "you're now eligible to purchase an apartment in Mist, Lavender Beds or Goblet". What do most players do when they get a message they're eligible for new content? They go try it out.

I'm really confused why you're against this idea when you're the one that thinks players should be using apartments instead of getting houses.

I'm reading it more as the apartments costing too much and need to have a bit more relaxed GC requirements tbh. I could see there being a barracks of sorts for each grand company as a low tier form of housing (in addition to the inn room) as the GC would want to make sure that it's members are well rested for battle. Once someone reaches Sergeant Third Class, they gain access to an apartment (which would be an actual space for themselves), and players would be able to get the house at Second Lieutenant as that's the lowest officer rank (many of us that care about that are probably Captains at this point). That would also follow the ingame rank divisions you see at the quartermaster (see https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/G...ortal%20Flames ).

As far as gil goes, while 500k to you or me may not be a lot of gil... how much is that to a new player? Would 200k make more sense? 100k? 400k? 600k?

Tbh, I'm really seeing both of you in more agreement with the overall idea, just a couple of details that need hammered out.

[Seleni]

I'm reading it more as the apartments costing too much and need to have a bit more relaxed GC requirements tbh. I could see there being a barracks of sorts for each grand company as a low tier form of housing (in addition to the inn room) as the GC would want to make sure that it's members are well rested for battle. Once someone reaches Sergeant Third Class, they gain access to an apartment (which would be an actual space for themselves), and players would be able to get the house at Second Lieutenant as that's the lowest officer rank (many of us that care about that are probably Captains at this point). That would also follow the ingame rank divisions you see at the quartermaster (see https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/G...ortal%20Flames ).

As far as gil goes, while 500k to you or me may not be a lot of gil... how much is that to a new player? Would 200k make more sense? 100k? 400k? 600k?

Tbh, I'm really seeing both of you in more agreement with the overall idea, just a couple of details that need hammered out.

Umm, for the apartments to serve as the “free housing” that Jojoya wants, it’d probably need to be practically given away free through MSQ like the inn rooms. But SE probably doesn’t have capacity for that.

So I was mistaken when I said that apartment probably serves as the “free housing”. It’s more of a tier 1. (Inn room = tier 0)

IMO if it costs anything more than what is considered spare change to a player, people who are not interested in houses won’t bother with it, regardless of GC rank requirement. And people who ultimately want a house would pursue the GC rank required for a house anyway, so lowering GC rank does not add much appeal to the apartments.

If GC requirement is to be dropped for FC/apartment rooms, they might as well drop it all the way down to Corporal, which is attainable simply by turning in GC seals. Most people probably already gotten seals through FATEs, so it’s 0 additional effort for them to become eligible for FC/apartment room purchase.

[Jojoya]

Umm, for the apartments to serve as the “free housing” that Jojoya wants, it’d probably need to be practically given away free through MSQ like the inn rooms. But SE probably doesn’t have capacity for that.

Where are you getting that I want free housing?

Housing of any type should still have a gil cost attached.

[Seleni]

Where are you getting that I want free housing?

ESO’s first housing option is a free room that you’d get from quest, from what I’ve read. So when you mentioned initial housing, and you did not think apartment qualifies as one because it’s not accessible to all, I thought ESO’s initial housing was what you were referring to.

Housing of any type should still have a gil cost attached.

Agreed. At minimum it should act as a bit of a gil sink.