Fix Housing Megathread

[Catstab]

If I lower my writing level to a third grade level (instead of collegiate level) you might be able to understand this point.

You say that, and then you call me notating context "sock puppeting." You would think reading notations would be easy for someone who brags on the internet about attending college.

Yes, 5700 houses per 20000 player world was SEs idea. You might not think adding 720 houses worth of wards or 1440 houses worth of ishgard is a solution and that's fine. But divesting a handful of people from their alt-character's houses to produce under 100 openings per server is a solution? Give me a break.

Grandfathering was a good idea, and every time you say it should go, you will be told you are wrong.

[Almagnus1]

Yes, 5700 houses per 20000 player world was SEs idea. You might not think adding 720 houses worth of wards or 1440 houses worth of ishgard is a solution and that's fine. But divesting a handful of people from their alt-character's houses to produce under 100 openings per server is a solution? Give me a break.

When a handful of players control a ward... that's a problem. They are denying many the chance to even participate. I would rather give people the option between the carrot and the stick, but that problem needs to end by any means necessary.

Grandfathering was a good idea, and every time you say it should go, you will be told you are wrong.

The initial system design should have been tight enough that this problem should have never been allowed to occur in the first place.

[Catstab]

When a handful of players control a ward... that's a problem.

Agree to disagree.

The behavior you describe was legal when done, and all players on the game had an equal opportunity to claim these houses. The people who claimed them chose to, the people who did not claim them also chose. We are all now lying in the beds we made.

The initial system design should have been tight enough that this problem should have never been allowed to occur in the first place.

Sure, and the titanic should've turned left, in hindsight.

Personal housing at all was a mistake if the idea was that is was for FCs only. Yoshi P should have told us to wait for apartments when we begged for personals. Cutting house prices from 50 million to 3 million just meant that everyone who could afford a house under the old system could now afford 16 houses. And surprise, they bought them.

[Almagnus1]

Sure, and the titanic should've turned left, in hindsight.

Personal housing at all was a mistake if the idea was that is was for FCs only. Yoshi P should have told us to wait for apartments when we begged for personals. Cutting house prices from 50 million to 3 million just meant that everyone who could afford a house under the old system could now afford 16 houses. And surprise, they bought them.

And when you have identified a problem that occurred, you fix it (if possible). In this case, it's entirely possible to do so by enticing players to release their excess housing (aka the carrot) or after sufficient amount of time force the issue on the ones that don't want to (aka the stick).

The implementation to the solution needs not be immediate... it may take several years to roll out, and as long as we get there in the end... I don't really care how it happens as long as the issue is dealt with and will never reappear.

[Catstab]

the issue is dealt with and will never reappear.

The issue is dealt with. Guidelines were added in 2018. You are fully aware they exist, as you've linked them before.

Grandfathered houses will never increase in number, and continue to decrease as their owners move on from housing entirely. If you want a good carrot for housing enthusiasts you should get into game design, and woo them away that way.

[Almagnus1]

The issue is dealt with. Guidelines were added in 2018. You are fully aware they exist, as you've linked them before.

No it's not. We still have grandfathered in houses, shell FCs, and people owning wards. They are tying up scarce resources that's preventing hundreds of players from participating in housing.

you should get into game design

While I find the discipline interesting, ultimately, I do not like working in the video game interesting because the pay is bad, the hours are long, and you can get let go for doing nothing wrong because marketing didn't do their job correctly.

[Catstab]

grandfathered in houses

Quite deliberately allowed. The majority of the population applauds the decision, as well.

If you truly do not understand why this decision is beneficial, let's use a comparative example.

hypothetical:
Player A cares about their 8 characters and their 8 houses. Each character has a house decorated to just their liking. Some are libraries, some are dungeons, some are gyms, and some are studies. SE says "I know we said in 2018 you could keep those, and you earned them fairly through hours of gameplay, but we're taking all but one of them. Choose." Player A is heartbroken and quits ff14.
Player B cares about their 8 jobs and their 8 glams. Each job has a glam suited to the feel of its gameplay. Some look suited to workbenches, some to battlefields, and some to high fashion. SE says "I know we originally folded all jobs into one character, and you have earned gear for every job on this character, but we've decided it's now 1 job per character like any other MMO. Choose." Player B is heartbroken and quits ff14.

Either of these changes would detract from players enjoyment of the game and probably cost SE money.

shell FCs

Technically allowed as well.

While 4 people are needed to buy a house for an FC, only 1 member is required to retain or relocate an FC house. Changes to this system would have to be applied carefully - otherwise anyone who can kick people (or enough people leaving) can effectively demolish the house and disband the FC. This would be an intolerable side effect.

people owning wards

This is two separate issues, actually, so I'll discuss them separately for you.

1. It is of note that you need 8 player accounts to own a ward. So it's totally impossible for a single player to own a ward. Since 8 player accounts cost 8 subscriptions, those 8 player accounts have the same rights as any other 8 player accounts, even if one real life person owns each of them.

2. Now as for the house per account limit, should one player account be able to hold 8 FCs? SE sees merit in any character being able to accept leadership of any FC, as evidenced by the way the system works. I see merit in this, too. Inactive players are always stripped of FC leadership after 30 days, and a 'block' would be a problem here. Likewise if an FC leader is quitting and wishes to relinquish to their sole member, a 'block' would be a problem. Obviously, a system limiting FC leadership transfer would also have to be very carefully implemented.

So: Grandfathering, not going anywhere. FCs, definitely some discussion to be had, but changes would need to be VERY careful to not to harm the casual player.

[Divinemights]

When a handful of players control a ward... that's a problem. They are denying many the chance to even participate. I would rather give people the option between the carrot and the stick, but that problem needs to end by any means necessary.
The initial system design should have been tight enough that this problem should have never been allowed to occur in the first place.

Except S/E officially acknowledged that it is not an issue and those 2 players have all the right to keep the ownership.
You and your obsession do not over rule their decision because S/E legally owned all of the FF14 digital assets including your character.
Your monthly fee is only a rental fee to use their digital assets.
SE respects their ownership right and the housing plots they obtained following their rules, that is the fact.
Only SE how many grandfathered houses are out there and you knows absolutely nothing beside an article you read online.
What makes you think you can make correct decision when you don't even have the access to the information?

Even China whom is still operating on a dictatorship type of doctrine do not seize their citizen's private property just because of a "law changes"
Why do you thinks S/E should seize those 2 player's properties?

[Almagnus1]

You and your obsession do not over rule their decision because S/E legally owned all of the FF14 digital assets including your character.

Which means SE can do whatever they want to with them, up to (and including) completely resetting the housing system and not refunding anyone for any lost resources.

Only SE how many grandfathered houses are out there and you knows absolutely nothing beside an article you read online.

That's also true for you as well....

Even China whom is still operating on a dictatorship type of doctrine do not seize their citizen's private property just because of a "law changes"

No, but they did weld the doors shut to several hundred of thousand people they thought had Covid leaving them to die inside. I mean, China has an absurd amount of human rights violations (including the ongoing genocide against the Uyghurs) so using them as an example for anything positive is an exceedingly bad idea.

[Divinemights]

No, but they did weld the doors shut to several hundred of thousand people they thought had Covid leaving them to die inside. I mean, China has an absurd amount of human rights violations (including the ongoing genocide against the Uyghurs) so using them as an example for anything positive is an exceedingly bad idea.

Another follower of BBC propaganda?
Why is BBC not interest with Isarel bombing Pakistan civillain?
Just stop, you are making yourself looks worth than before