Fix Housing Megathread

[Viviumm]

Honestly with housing they should really keep adding plots.... and I mean weekly or monthly for example in the goblet there's only 25 wards there could be way more... but they should keep housing how it is its what makes it so unique and what makes a lot of people want houses tbh. Also remove relocation because it feels like its really unfair

[Sotaris]

Honestly with housing they should really keep adding plots.... and I mean weekly or monthly for example in the goblet there's only 25 wards there could be way more... but they should keep housing how it is its what makes it so unique and what makes a lot of people want houses tbh. Also remove relocation because it feels like its really unfair

Problem with this, is server hardware cost. That's why they are pretty slow on adding new ones until it's really needed.

[Almagnus1]

Problem with this, is server hardware cost. That's why they are pretty slow on adding new ones until it's really needed.

A couple of things SE should probably do if they are hellbent on keeping supply low:

• End personal house grandfathering
• End shell FC housing

If we are going to forever deal with a limited supply, all players must be restricted to one personal house per server per subscription, and an FC should not be allowed to hold a house if it does not have at least four unique active subscriptions associated with that FC.

The housing supply has to be optimized and fairly distributed and SE must end a player controlling a single ward without paying for a lot of subs to make it work.

[Divinemights]

The housing supply has to be optimized and fairly distributed and SE must end a player controlling a single ward without paying for a lot of subs to make it work.

You have no right to do that, especially for those 2 guys on Mateus
They choose a server where no one want to go there at the time.
They started a project on something that no once cares at the time.
They have the foresight and you don't.

Your subscription never guarantee you a house by default, it is only player self-proclaimed.
You only gain the right to access, it is never 100%.
It is same as you are not guaranteed with Savage Eden drop just because you have a subscription, you worked for it

[Almagnus1]

You have no right to do that, especially for those 2 guys on Mateus

Those two guys on Mateus deserve to have all but one of their personal houses stripped and all of their shell FCs disbanded. If you disagree with that, you are part of the problem.

They choose a server where no one want to go there at the time.
They started a project on something that no once cares at the time.

They had their fun, and it's time for that to end because the needs of the many outweigh the infantile desires of the one (or in this case, two).

It is same as you are not guaranteed with Savage Eden drop just because you have a subscription, you worked for it

Those two are completely incomparable things since there's no limit to the number of Eden Savage drops... but there is a limit to the number of houses. I mean, you can run any instance as many times as you want in a week.

[Catstab]

Those two guys on Mateus deserve to have all but one of their personal houses stripped and all of their shell FCs disbanded. If you disagree with that, you are part of the problem.

Figure out how to give them back the time they spent building that stuff, and then we'll just go ahead and do a refund.

[Almagnus1]

Figure out how to give them back the time they spent building that stuff, and then we'll just go ahead and do a refund.

Absolutely not. They abused the housing system so they should suffer the consequences - and in this case, get screwed over because of their greed.

I mean, SE isn't going to properly fix the supply issue anytime soon, so the only other option they have is to forcibly release houses on people that are tying up more than their fair share of land.

[Divinemights]

Those two guys on Mateus deserve to have all but one of their personal houses stripped and all of their shell FCs disbanded. If you disagree with that, you are part of the problem.
They had their fun, and it's time for that to end because the needs of the many outweigh the infantile desires of the one (or in this case, two).

To be honest, no, you are just witch hunting like a zealot ignoring all senses and logics.
These two players bought these plots when no one wanted them (that is a fact) and they put in time, effort and gils to create a legacy of their own. That shouldn't be taken away just all of sudden community want a house plot.

They are not source of the problem as they follow the rules S/E created and it was SE's mistake because they allow personal housing instead of keep it as FC only. Can you blame S/E? NO you can't You are blinded if you ignored the fact upon until Personal Housing is installed, 2/3 of housing wards are emptied.

On other hand, you are the source of a lot of NA player's living nightmare with that little reclaim timer idea of yours. Not saying it is not an effective method, but it nevertheless is short sighted because SE too didn't expect players will try to camp it 24 hours straight.

This is also why I am not buying any short sighed ideas such as casino, etc.

[Almagnus1]

To be honest, no, you are just witch hunting like a zealot ignoring all senses and logics.

That's a fancy way of saying "I disagree with you"

These two players bought these plots when no one wanted them (that is a fact) and they put in time, effort and gils to create a legacy of their own. That shouldn't be taken away just all of sudden community want a house plot.

There are no other solutions on the table, and (to be quite honest) they are hogging an entire ward that would let another 20-30 people join in housing. Why should those 20-30 people be locked out because two are being selfish and greedy?

Can you blame S/E? NO you can't You are blinded if you ignored the fact upon until Personal Housing is installed, 2/3 of housing wards are emptied.

If that's true, why have I pointed out several things that LotRO has done better than FFXIV in housing?

SE's oversight was that they didn't really take into consideration that people would have alts (which has much less need now that New Game+ is a thing) and they built the entire personal housing around the limited subscription. SE made several mistakes and I have been advocating for changes to the housing system like having all alts on a server get ports to all personal houses on the same server owned by that service account and also housing storage that will allow someone to transfer items between chars on the server. These are two things that LoTRO has had for player housing since it launched many years ago, and it's two things that are long overdue in FFXIV for housing.

While I will be (occasionally) hyperbolic, I have been consistently advocating for positive change to the system.

On other hand, you are the source of a lot of NA player's living nightmare with that little reclaim timer idea of yours. Not saying it is not an effective method, but it nevertheless is short sighted because SE too didn't expect players will try to camp it 24 hours straight.

When Yoshi-P indicates that there are RMT issues within housing (largely because of the housing market that existed before it), and they still exist to this day... that idea was not short sighted. SE saw it as an easy way to stop the housing flipping which it does exceedingly well. If you're someone that got burned by it then (quite honestly) you deserved it.

This is also why I am not buying any short sighed ideas such as casino, etc.

I fail to see what this has to do with anything.

[Jojoya]

Problem with this, is server hardware cost. That's why they are pretty slow on adding new ones until it's really needed.

It's not just hardware cost, they also have to arrange for physical space at the facility housing the servers and have technicians available to install the equipment.

A couple of things SE should probably do if they are hellbent on keeping supply low:

• End personal house grandfathering
• End shell FC housing

If we are going to forever deal with a limited supply, all players must be restricted to one personal house per server per subscription, and an FC should not be allowed to hold a house if it does not have at least four unique active subscriptions associated with that FC.

The housing supply has to be optimized and fairly distributed and SE must end a player controlling a single ward without paying for a lot of subs to make it work.

I doubt the grandfathered housing amounts to much. There weren't that many players with multiple houses when it went into effect and it's likely some of those houses have since
been relinquished.

The shell FC situation is a much bigger issue. It was nice to hear YoshiP acknowledge during the keynote that RMT and the other housing exploits are a problem they are trying to find ways to address but it was a shame they still wish to avoid an actual solution to the problem in favor of making new band-aids that will still get exploited.