Make scholar and summoner great again

[Savagelf]

first i do like suggest thing for these two jobs i don't want to see SE run for summoner and scholar like dog with tail between it legs. SE let be honest if you run for fix summoner and scholar you run for tried fix pet jobs some people Yoshi P like pet jobs. why called summoner summoner if it doesn't have it trusted carbruncle or summon at it back it basic a witch not a summoner. and scholar isn't scholar it doctor

first change summoner basic summon carbruncle to be summoner familiar these basic level summon. figure out what the other mage dps is by balance it out cute dps that summoner does and what her pet does
summoner and her pet does each does 1/2 of what mage jobs do. when limit summon on feild each summoner familiar the Guardian summon ie Ifrit Garuda Titan Shiva and Ramuh does 1/3

if summoner is summoner then one fix the debuff by make them more elemental basic as i have been suggest

summoner summon Carbruncle of elemental
let say you summon Ruby Carbuncle: the summoner debuff change basic ruby be on feild. burn and heat stroke debuff are now debuff Ruby use these now fire elemental debuff let suppose you summon A Guardian Summon of that Elemental Ifrit the summon has chance refresh the debuff and increase the dot time basic how much the Ifrit is on feild, supose the debuff 30 second now they 50 second or 60 second basic on Ifrit be on feild.
lb 3 of summoner is now Bahumat come down and doing mass attack not summoner

summoner summon. summoner trance all guardian summon can be Glamourized
Ruby Carbruncle Guardian summon Ifrit
Topaz Carbruncle Guardian summon Titan
Emerald Carbruncle Guardian summon Garuda
Diamond Carbruncle Guardian summon Shiva
Amestyic Carbuncle Guardian summon Ramuh

[Ilenya]

I'm not sure what to make of this. Feels like a train of thought comment that doesn't actually connect well... Are you able to clarify at all?

[_Koneko_]

summoner is dead even bluemage is more a summoner then summoner :P

[Sunhwapark]

and scholar isn't scholar it doctor

...Huh????

[Enla]

...Huh????

I'm guessing they don't like that SCH is a healer...? I think? Don't quote me on that.

[Wavaryen]

Your title annoyed me more than I will like to admit.


I've not played summoner in a long time, but I miss the playstyle of having a tank pet, and manage its hp while dpsing. I enjoy that playstyle that I sadly miss.

[Shougun]

I was curious what you intended to do with Scholar, since I Don't think I saw a note of that, and then Demi for Summoner.

Always welcome to feedback, I think that's important to a good place of feedback, but wanted to caution that November is not that far away so whatever they intend to do with Summoner and Scholar is probably already on paper. (Doesn't mean you can't maybe shift the design if they like it, just that we're in the final hour so lower chance to impart change).

Personally on Summoner I'd love to see more primal options and in general an infection of the tasks to primal in nature (like by having ifrit out bio might become burn instead, or static changes if that's too dynamic like raise is new phoenix related, these changes can happen via the passive talents). I think they can offer the main primals through a sort of rotating system, each egi having a general focus, like Shiva might be CC and balance, Ifrit being single target, etc, and this rotation system encouraging players to switch up their primals. Many ideas could be buff, an hp bar that starts high but deteriorates over time, or ultimate skill being non-repeatable (until switching and using another's), etc. Allowing players to stick in a mode if they need it but encouraging cycling still. Meaning you'd pick the best for the situation but then you'd need to pick the second best and you might have a need at one point for CC, another for support, etc, which gives you an opportunity to see more primal. Though all that would be focusing more on the pet nature of things, I'm unsure what they'll be doing soon - if they go more one and done then that idea wouldn't really fit at all.

Looking through the series summoner has been consistently one of the most grandiose over the top jobs, naturally we can't have the job filling the screen and replacing people, but if we were ever going to get a hardcore make-over I'd hope they go hard into big effects and helpers (like demi related stuff that was added later to the job). I'm absolutely fine with it being pets, partially pets, and or Yuna Dissida- I'd just hope that it has a feeling of diverse and awesome cast of helpers (primal help).

[Savagelf]

i like scholar being scholar i just want SE to address pet job but not by remove the pet for the pet job that sound more like run away for issue and abandon tried find solution to the issue. there can be solution other remove the pet like some rumor are claim but you must be will to seek it out and possible make the pet job alittle more complex

sometime people need realize not every job is for them take blue mage not for a majority of players. summoner is icon for it ability to summon remove that and it not summoner anymore what is it then

[TroySoFab]

first i do like suggest thing for these two jobs i don't want to see SE run for summoner and scholar like dog with tail between it legs. SE let be honest if you run for fix summoner and scholar you run for tried fix pet jobs some people Yoshi P like pet jobs. why called summoner summoner if it doesn't have it trusted carbruncle or summon at it back it basic a witch not a summoner. and scholar isn't scholar it doctor

first change summoner basic summon carbruncle to be summoner familiar these basic level summon. figure out what the other mage dps is by balance it out cute dps that summoner does and what her pet does
summoner and her pet does each does 1/2 of what mage jobs do. when limit summon on feild each summoner familiar the Guardian summon ie Ifrit Garuda Titan Shiva and Ramuh does 1/3

if summoner is summoner then one fix the debuff by make them more elemental basic as i have been suggest

summoner summon Carbruncle of elemental
let say you summon Ruby Carbuncle: the summoner debuff change basic ruby be on feild. burn and heat stroke debuff are now debuff Ruby use these now fire elemental debuff let suppose you summon A Guardian Summon of that Elemental Ifrit the summon has chance refresh the debuff and increase the dot time basic how much the Ifrit is on feild, supose the debuff 30 second now they 50 second or 60 second basic on Ifrit be on feild.
lb 3 of summoner is now Bahumat come down and doing mass attack not summoner

summoner summon. summoner trance all guardian summon can be Glamourized
Ruby Carbruncle Guardian summon Ifrit
Topaz Carbruncle Guardian summon Titan
Emerald Carbruncle Guardian summon Garuda
Diamond Carbruncle Guardian summon Shiva
Amestyic Carbuncle Guardian summon Ramuh

Are you ok? I mean yeah I want scholar to be better, but it sounds like you just want more egi glams.

[WhiteArchmage]

My main gripe is that the devs have already moved away from elemental resistances for anything, mostly because of class balance. They want (almost) any party composition to be able to clear anything, so putting elemental debuffs on the pets would go against that. Heck, they're moving away from elemental DAMAGE for the most part: They can't make BLM's attacks non-elemental because it's so tied to its identity, but they turned WHM's Aero and Stone into Dia and Glare which are now non-elemental. Only RDM uses more elements and everyone else does unaspected damage.

So realistically SMN would only ever use a Fire-debuff to synergize with BLM, because the bulk of BLM damage is Fire-based, they spend so little time in Umbral Ice to justify Ice-imperils, Thunder would be useless because of how Thundercloud works, and anything else would be downright irrelevant; and with RDM, it uses 4 elements in quick succesion so it'd be damn near impossible to keep up... and you'd again end up using Fire most of the time because Verflare is the only Finisher with an element (Verholy and Scorch are unaspected).

Yes I agree Summoner doesn't feel like a Summoner, it's closer to a Warlock, but I think if anything Shougun's idea is closer to what would realistically happen given how the dev team seems so awkward with pet jobs. Rotating Summons from a highest to lowest priority would feel much closer to a SMN identity, and reminds me of how BRD already plays with rotating songs. Lore-wise it's also complicated because a classic FF Summoner seems completely against the established setting: Summoning is bad, REALLY BAD, that's why the Summoner explicitly uses their own aether to call a fascimile of a primal; the trances seemed to be the closest they can get to the flashiness of a regular Summoner while still keeping it in a "it's your own aether, you're just attuning it to X Primal" excuse.