MSQ

[MilkieTea]

I'm wondering why you'd do savage raiding if you supposedly hate this 'crappy' game as much as you do, going by the content of your nier topic, very curious

No, don't you get it? Savage Raiding is the only platform they can interact with their community! Do you really expect them to NOT savage raid on this crappy platform? They ONLY savage raid because it just happens to be the only platform their community is on! What, do you want them to get EVERYONE to stop savage raiding JUST FOR them?

[Tommara]

No content that serves as a near-universal negative play experience has a right to exist, regardless of whether it's difficult or not.

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale, or the hours of mindless fetch quests that don't even have relevant dialogue, or any of the multitude of other things that are generally unenjoyable.

I think you and I should be friends, instead of arguing with each other.

Edited Note: Or in other words, I agree with what you just said, even though I haven't viewed your profile or whatever status you think you have that should take precedence over your words.

And with that, way past my bedtime, good night.

[Arkevorkhat]

I think you and I should be friends, instead of arguing with each other.

Edited Note: Or in other words, I agree with what you just said, even though I haven't viewed your profile or whatever status you think you have that should take precedence over your words.

And with that, way past my bedtime, good night.

I'll admit to no small amount of confusion regarding why exactly you chose to respond so vigorously to my original comment, as I was effectively agreeing with you from the start.
I was responding to the person who responded to your OP what they would classify as essential.

All of that said, it's also extremely late, so I'd best be going to bed as well.

[Iscah]

Yep, that's EXACTLY my point.

Having to slog through MSQ fetch quests, which I do get that when they were created, were meant to fulfill the dev's promise for updates as well as keep players occupied until the next expansion.

My only problem with them is that new and returning players have to slog through them, despite owning the latest expansion (and kudos to the devs for making that a thing!), most of which have nothing to do with story.

They could fix this by changing the coding of those quests to something other than MSQ.

The post-credits MSQ contributes way more to the story, overall, than just fetch quests.

ARR suffers the worst, but even that has so much plot that gets called back to later. The writers have already been through it once and pulled out the bits that they decided were not necessary.

[DPZ2]

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale, or the hours of mindless fetch quests that don't even have relevant dialogue, or any of the multitude of other things that are generally unenjoyable.

I have extremely fond memories of learning how to best use the Bard AoE abilities during a run through Aurum Vale with the leader of my FC back in the Heavensward era. I enjoy running through it still. So, now you've met someone.

[ItMe]

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale,

Aurum Vale is a big meme in my FC ever since we tried to run through it without ever eating the fruit. And oh man the atmosphere of that place, those cramped overgrown tunnels with morbol coming at you still spooks me.
We have more fun with it than 90% of what a levelling roulette can give us.

[MilkieTea]

Aurum Vale is a big meme in my FC ever since we tried to run through it without ever eating the fruit. And oh man the atmosphere of that place, those cramped overgrown tunnels with morbol coming at you still spooks me.
We have more fun with it than 90% of what a levelling roulette can give us.

I like Aurum Vale if I don't get queued with a whm. For some reason I only ever get cure 1-spammers or whm's who cast ever like... 1 minute, a single cure 1, and then just stand there.

[demonofelru]

I love Aurum Vale. It is the first dungeon that actually requires some skill from the whole party when running it at correct level.

[Infindox]

No content that serves as a near-universal negative play experience has a right to exist, regardless of whether it's difficult or not.

I've never met someone who enjoys Aurum Vale, or the hours of mindless fetch quests that don't even have relevant dialogue, or any of the multitude of other things that are generally unenjoyable.

Hi, I like Aurum Vale for what it is, not really that annoying to me.
I don't think there really is anything in this game that is near-universaly hated becides maybe fetch quests. I didn't like Eureka Pagos but I know a few people who were fine with it. I hate I have to do a long raid that is at the whim of if people want to use what's given to them or not 15 times for one relic (DR) but some people don't mind it. (And I actually enjoy the raid itself) Thinks exist that don't click with me, and that's ok.

[JisKing98]

Because that's what MSQ roulette is for. Specifically those two 8 man raids that are unlike anything else in the game and yet required for progression. They can't lump it in with anything else, because otherwise you'd hit a roulette expecting a 10 minute trial or a 15 minute dungeon and instead end up in a 45 minute raid.
You know what you're signing up for with MSQ roulette. Don't want to do those raids, then don't run MSQ roulette?

I still firmly believe they should just turn it into a solo instance for new players. maybe even use the trust system to help players out if people still want to keep that 8 man flavor.