MSQ

[kiagenwa]

What's the point in that?

I am a return player and I enjoy all the story FFXIV offers.
If you don't care for story and just want to go to latest expansion, then how about purchase the adventurer's tale in Mogstation?

Honest. I spent a month and I'm still in early HW. The way I see this will take me 3 months or more, unless you play the game full time.
If you don't value MSQs at all, then the time doing them are a waste. You'd be better off jumping to ShB content.

[Iscah]

That's kind of my point though, he really should have been there, but there is a reason why, but it's in a side story that only makes sense if you've done it, so they just act as if he doesn't exist. Without the side story there's zero reason for him to not have made some form of appearance especially given it was speaking with her and you that finally got him to fully lend his support to you, but nothing, at the very least no one noticing this only adds to it.

I don't think his absence was that conspicuous. It's not like we had a reliable way to summon him before that, and he wasn't the one we needed to speak to.

[Iscah]

What's the point in that?

I am a return player and I enjoy all the story FFXIV offers.
If you don't care for story and just want to go to latest expansion, then how about purchase the adventurer's tale in Mogstation?

Honest. I spent a month and I'm still in early HW. The way I see this will take me 3 months or more, unless you play the game full time.
If you don't value MSQs at all, then the time doing them are a waste. You'd be better off jumping to ShB content.

"The point" is that the creators have decided that their MMO is one that values story and makes it an integral part of the game.

If you disagree with their choice, you can pay to skip it or you can find a different MMO that caters to your playstyle.

Not every game needs to cater to every taste - I've tried and abandoned so many games over time. This is one that I do enjoy.

[BlitzAceRush]

I don't think his absence was that conspicuous. It's not like we had a reliable way to summon him before that, and he wasn't the one we needed to speak to.

It's not about us needing him, this was a very pivotal moment for his kind that he'd show up for so many other things, but not this and this being after that side story would have taken place, in fact he hasn't appeared at all since where you can logically slot that side story into the canon if it was required.
It just felt very out of place for me, the last time we spoke with her, he was there, this was such a large call back to that time and he was a big part of that moment and it being a big moment, and it could have felt far more genuine if he convinced her it was time to move on, not that it didn't feel right coming from us, I just don't see any reason for him to not have made an appearance other than he couldn't and there's only one reason why he couldn't have been able to.

[Iscah]

in fact he hasn't appeared at all since where you can logically slot that side story into the canon if it was required.

Oh, absolutely on that front. We won't be calling on him at all for the time being, and it may strike people as odd if they haven't done it. But they won't explicitly say "we can't go talk to him because he's still sleeping off his encounter with Omega" and leave the player going "wait, what, when?"

At most you'd get a variable line making up some other excuse why he isn't available or we don't want to disturb him.

And I don't agree that it would have been more genuine coming from him. On the contrary, it seems far more significant that we convinced her to help us than for Midgardsormr to say that she should.

[MistakeNot]

80 quests before you can play Heavensward. Some are interesting story, most could be moved to side quests.

No. No, most of it couldn't be moved to side quests. Some of it could of course be made a bit shorter and more streamlined, but very little of it could be outright removed from the MSQ.

[Shibi]

No. No, most of it couldn't be moved to side quests. Some of it could of course be made a bit shorter and more streamlined, but very little of it could be outright removed from the MSQ.

I don't really see the purpose of things like ... "Forsooth, I need cheese, and wine for my party. Runeth to wineport and collect me a bottle, then runneth to the goblin and get some cheesy scrapings from his underwear".

I mean, i understand they open up things like Brayflox, but surely the warrior of light could get a more engaging story to enter the Longstop, than "get me some gobbiecheese so we can have a party".

Same with minfilia's deliveroo orders over linkshell. Running back and forth to do the most menial boring tasks. I was glad to see the end of her.

[TheMightyMollusk]

You're not the Warrior of Light yet when you meet the Company of Heroes. You're still a fledgling adventurer with one noteworthy achievement to your name.

[Shibi]

You're not the Warrior of Light yet when you meet the Company of Heroes. You're still a fledgling adventurer with one noteworthy achievement to your name.

Heh. Granted.

But that whole 2.0 mess is still not a fun story line, and never was, even back in 2013 when I first struggled and gave up screaming with the gobbie cheese. Then in 2015 when i tried a second time and gave up screaming about the same point.

Even cut down, it still drags on and on with menial food-delivery tasks. Nobody can say 2.0's an engaging story.

[BlitzAceRush]

Oh, absolutely on that front. We won't be calling on him at all for the time being, and it may strike people as odd if they haven't done it. But they won't explicitly say "we can't go talk to him because he's still sleeping off his encounter with Omega" and leave the player going "wait, what, when?"

At most you'd get a variable line making up some other excuse why he isn't available or we don't want to disturb him.

And I don't agree that it would have been more genuine coming from him. On the contrary, it seems far more significant that we convinced her to help us than for Midgardsormr to say that she should.

That's why I feel they should stop trying to tow the line, they tried it with the Crystal towers till it just didn't make sense anymore and then they're doing it lightly here, it'll also come into play if they ever wanted to bring Ryne back given they even give the WoL a dialogue line that gives Gaia an entry point for the duo.
Personally I'd be fine with them just making things mandatory as and when the wish, but I know a lot of people wouldn't like them adding to the MSQ, so to me the best compromise they could make is give plenty of forewarning that X side story is about to become relevant for the MSQ and you should do it by X patch but keep it optional, from that patch onwards everything will just act like that side story has been completed, obviously that'll confuse some people, but it'll be on them as they had plenty for warning.
There's just becoming too much MSQ relevant information locked out of the MSQ.

I do agree that it meant a lot coming from us, perhaps it was more fitting, but still, given who they are to one another, if someone doesn't know about Omega, they'd likely of expected him to say something.