MSQ

[Ilenya]

You mean the roulette that's set up for a pair of dungeons SE wisely decided to never do again because it didn't go so well, but at the same time are 100% required for the story? Unless they decide to completely change those dungeons, they aren't going anywhere.

[Tommara]

You mean the roulette that's set up for a pair of dungeons SE wisely decided to never do again because it didn't go so well, but at the same time are 100% required for the story? Unless they decide to completely change those dungeons, they aren't going anywhere.

Exactly!

So why are all the other dungeons required as part of the MSQ? But aren't included in the roulette if they are important?

[LianaThorne]

Exactly!

So why are the dungeons required as part of the MSQ?

Because they're relevant to the story. They're literally the ending to the main ARR story.

I think the issue you're having is that you just dont want dungeons included in MSQ at all. Which is fair enough, I had a person in my FC who felt the same. However, this isn't WoW or NMS or any other game. This is FF14 and how they chose to set it up and it works for the majority of people. It won't be changing unless they're planning to drop a bomb on all of us with 6.0 and completely rip the whole game apart.

Also, just so you know, the majority of dungeons are in roulettes in the different categories. If you want Primal fights, go for Trials. If you want a chance to basically get any dungeon under the sun, go for Leveling. If you want raids like the Crystal Tower ones or Nier, go for Alliance Raids. Normal Raids will give you Alexander or Eden. Expert & Level 80 have, I think 3 or 4 to pick from? Like...

[Seraphor]

Exactly!

So why are all the other dungeons required as part of the MSQ? But aren't included in the roulette if they are important?

They are included in other roulettes...

[Tommara]

They are included in other roulettes...

Exactly!

So why are they required for the MSQ?

[Seraphor]

Exactly!

So why are they required for the MSQ?

...I think you're getting entirely hung up on the arbitrary naming of the roulettes.

Those dungeons are required for the story... because they're part of the story.

MSQ Roulette is just the name of a roulette... and roulettes aren't part of the story... they're a tool for getting people into queues.

This is a story driven game, everything is part of the story unless it's specifically a side quest that has no consequences on the rest of the story.

[Tommara]

...I think you're getting entirely hung up on the arbitrary naming of the roulettes.

Those dungeons are required for the story... because they're part of the story.

MSQ Roulette is just the name of a roulette... and roulettes aren't part of the story... they're a tool for getting people into queues.

But that doesn't at all help us dps get through the MSQ required dungeons.

[LianaThorne]

But that doesn't at all help us dps get through the MSQ required dungeons.

Oh if you're referring to the wait timers: that's due to the majority of people playing a DPS class. You have much quicker queues as healer or tank. Unfortunately, if you have 100+ dps in line for a dungeon, you still gotta wait for a tank and healer to queue to even get in.

An easy solution is to ask on the PF for a healer or tank to help you out with queues as I do see a lot (at least in my DC) offering to speed people through queues when they finish their roulettes for the day.

[LianaThorne]

Exactly!

So why are they required for the MSQ?

For the 2nd time, because that's how FF14 was designed and it works for the majority of people. If you don't want dungeon locks, you can play WoW or Albion Online or stick with NMS. Nitpicking a name of a roulette and ignoring what people are saying isn't cute.

[Tommara]

For the 2nd time, because that's how FF14 was designed and it works for the majority of people. If you don't want dungeon locks, you can play WoW or Albion Online or stick with NMS. Nitpicking a name of a roulette and ignoring what people are saying isn't cute.

To be clear, I'm mostly complaining about the 80 MSQ quests to get out of ARR and such, which I have done, but the friends I play with, two of whom I played Everquest with, one of whom will never return, one of whom is close to giving up.

Probably because they know better than to fall for this trap.