MSQ

[LianaThorne]

Well, you obviously haven't played No Man's Sky if you think it's a housing sim.

NMS is basically an exploration game with an underwhelming story and a focus on making your own hubs across different planets. Some people use them to make massive houses and others use them to make massive farms to exploit the system (myself being one when I last played).

So yes, basically a housing/building sim with enough people bored that they started breaking the economy of the game for something to do. I have more money than I will ever need in that game because I got so bored and decided to join in.

[Tommara]

Maybe because this isn't No Man's Sky, this is Final Fantasy XIV.
If you want to play No Man's Sky, play No Man's Sky.

I am.

Just pondering why it is I get so tired of this game after awhile.

[Seraphor]

Ya know, when I sign up for the MSQ roulette, all I get is two 8 main raids? Despite the whole plethora of MSQ groups I've done?

Because that's what MSQ roulette is for. Specifically those two 8 man raids that are unlike anything else in the game and yet required for progression. They can't lump it in with anything else, because otherwise you'd hit a roulette expecting a 10 minute trial or a 15 minute dungeon and instead end up in a 45 minute raid.
You know what you're signing up for with MSQ roulette. Don't want to do those raids, then don't run MSQ roulette?

[Ilenya]

You mean the roulette that's set up for a pair of dungeons SE wisely decided to never do again because it didn't go so well, but at the same time are 100% required for the story? Unless they decide to completely change those dungeons, they aren't going anywhere.

[Tommara]

You mean the roulette that's set up for a pair of dungeons SE wisely decided to never do again because it didn't go so well, but at the same time are 100% required for the story? Unless they decide to completely change those dungeons, they aren't going anywhere.

Exactly!

So why are all the other dungeons required as part of the MSQ? But aren't included in the roulette if they are important?

[LianaThorne]

Exactly!

So why are the dungeons required as part of the MSQ?

Because they're relevant to the story. They're literally the ending to the main ARR story.

I think the issue you're having is that you just dont want dungeons included in MSQ at all. Which is fair enough, I had a person in my FC who felt the same. However, this isn't WoW or NMS or any other game. This is FF14 and how they chose to set it up and it works for the majority of people. It won't be changing unless they're planning to drop a bomb on all of us with 6.0 and completely rip the whole game apart.

Also, just so you know, the majority of dungeons are in roulettes in the different categories. If you want Primal fights, go for Trials. If you want a chance to basically get any dungeon under the sun, go for Leveling. If you want raids like the Crystal Tower ones or Nier, go for Alliance Raids. Normal Raids will give you Alexander or Eden. Expert & Level 80 have, I think 3 or 4 to pick from? Like...

[Tommara]

But seriously, if you all think that 80 level 50 quests are necessary before being able to get out of ARR, your tolerance for tedium is greater than mine, and I played Everquest at release (actually before that, in EQ's stress beta), and watched a stump for a ground spawn for days.

Edited Note: Or perhaps my intolerance for tedium is grounded in my EQ experience.

[Seraphor]

Exactly!

So why are all the other dungeons required as part of the MSQ? But aren't included in the roulette if they are important?

They are included in other roulettes...

[Vidu]

Exactly!

So why are all the other dungeons required as part of the MSQ?

Because they're telling part of the story - the parts where you go to a certain place and fight whatever danger awaits you there. Something very, very common in RPGs in general and the FF-series as a whole.
FFXIV isnt an interactive movie, Walking Simulator or some adventure, its an RPG with an action-gameplay and that happens mostly in dungeons and is integrated into the story.

But aren't included in the roulette if they are important?

Because they're included in other roulettes.
Those two specific dungeons in the MSQ-roulette are a special case - some would call them a mistake that SE thankfully never repeated. They take 2-3 times the amount of time a normal dungeon takes and are loaded with cutscenes, making them pretty boring and annoying to do after the first (maybe second) time. All other dungeons focus more on the actual gameplay, while those two 8-man-dungeons have a lot of time thats spent doing... nothing but watching a cutscene. There have been lots of complains about these dungeons from both sides - veterans and new players - often in regards to people just bailing if they get into the cutscene-heaver one of them. A problem that would only increase if someone ends up in Castrum instead of one of the 4-man-dungeons - lots of people would simply bail and hope for a shorter dungeon for their next queue instead.

Seperating these two dungeons into their own roulette (and tacking a heavty reward on it) was the best thing they could do.

All other dungeons are in their respective roulettes - leveling, level 50/60/70, level 80. Something that seems quite sensible to me, since it gives you a little bit of an idea of what to expect if you queue for one of the roulettes.

[Tommara]

They are included in other roulettes...

Exactly!

So why are they required for the MSQ?