MSQ

[linayar]

It's really perplexing why so many people fail to understand that I'm not suggesting that any content be removed at all. I'm only suggesting that the MSQ, particularly the 80 or so ARR, level 50 MSQ, be pared down, not by removing those quests from the game, but rather be moved to side quests.

They've already shortened that part of the MSQ. If it's still too long for you, then buy the cheapest ARR boost, because I doubt they're going to remove any more from that part of the MSQ any time soon.

[Tommara]

They've already shortened that part of the MSQ. If it's still too long for you, then buy the cheapest ARR boost, because I doubt they're going to remove any more from that part of the MSQ any time soon.

You missed the part where I said I've already completed them.

[linayar]

You missed the part where I said I've already completed them.

Then why does it matter to you?

If you're speaking on behalf of someone else, then what I said can go to them. "You" doesn't have to mean you specifically.

you have convinced me to cancel

So, you've been convinced to cancel over something that you've claimed you already completed anyway?

[Enla]

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No, but SE does and they're not going to tell us anything about it. Primarily because revealing numbers like that isn't a good business move regardless of which way they swing. With that said however if it was truly as monumental a problem as you're making it out to be SE would have changed their formula by now. MSQ being baked into the game's identity or not they're a business. They aren't going to let themselves hemorraghe money in the way you seem to think they are with player retention if they can help it. This is the same company that called the original release of the Tomb Raider remake a 'disappointment' because it /only/ sold four million copies in a three month time-frame instead of the ten they desired. A number which, at the time, only CoD and FIFA were pulling in. If nothing else I can assure you that if they were losing subscribers at the rate you seem to be suggesting that they'd be working their asses off to fix it. Especially given how the original FF14 nearly killed their company /AGAIN/.

Also again, the way the story is written there is no way to make things be put behind 'side quests'. Like, at all. It'd be like taking A Song of Ice and Fire, cutting six chapters out at random, and then telling you to buy supplementary material in order to understand it all. The way the very story is structured would have to change entirely to do what you're requesting. Which absolutely is way more effort AND money than SE would be willing to put in. Especially when the skip potions exist and seem to be selling just fine.

[Tommara]

Especially when the skip potions exist and seem to be selling just fine.

Yeah, that's the thing.

I'm not a big fan of pay to win games. But that's not your fault, you're just stating facts.

Edited Note: you have convinced me to cancel, although I have more than 3 weeks left. I know from past experience that if I cancel now, FF14 would not let me play out the the remaining time I've paid for. Or have they fixed that now?

[Kozh]

It's really perplexing why so many people fail to understand that I'm not suggesting that any content be removed at all. I'm only suggesting that the MSQ, particularly the 80 or so ARR, level 50 MSQ, be pared down, not by removing those quests from the game, but rather be moved to side quests. I personally, completed all of them the last time I played, about a year ago. I vividly remembering them being a drudge, and friends that I've played MMO's for a long time, losing interest in the game.

Dude, I'm not replying to you... I was replying to the other guy, as you can see on my post.

Dunno if you have answered, but which quests you deemed to be okay to move to side quests?

I doubt if you have any real data on what "most players" want. I don't think you really have any idea of how many people quit once they reach the ARR MSQ.

But do you have the data?

I'm not sure why Japanese players are singled-out, as if their opinion should carry more weight than the rest of us. Lest you think I'm being racist, I was born in Japan, but raised in the US. My mother is Japanese, my father American. The last time I checked, I could be considered a Japanese citizen.

Sheesh.. chill, I'm just saying that the devs probably care more about the Japanese fanbase' opinion since they are the bigger market.

[Tommara]

But do you have the data?

No, you're the one making claims about what "most players" want. I just don't believe it.

[Kozh]

No. The duty finder queue is pretty fast, even for dps, if you choose the specific dungeon you need, as opposed to queuing for a roulette. Why bother friends for something that is trivial?

Ahahaha biggest joke I've ever seen. Sure buddy, whatever you say.

"why bother friends" what the hell is that argument? So do you want to play with your friends or not?

If you really want, then voila you can already do that by asking them to run the content with you. It's not about trivial, it's about having fun with your friends. And well if they are annoyed by your request, maybe they aren't your friends?

So you said in other post that "my friends would help me if they could", but here when people have pointed out that yes they can, nothing prevents them from doing that, you basically said you don't even try it.

No, you're the one making claims about what "most players" want. I just don't believe it.

Oh the irony. Well okay then I also don't believe it that "the msq is massive turnoff for players!!1!" and "it hurts player retention bad X(".

Btw, are you going to dodge the question again? C'mon, we're curious about which quests you are going to move to side quest.

[Tommara]

Ahahaha biggest joke I've ever seen. Sure buddy, whatever you say.

It really isn't a long wait, if you sign up for a specific dungeon rather than a roulette. I don't know if that's because players are given a priority if it's their first time, or if that's always true. All I know is the wait is so minimal, there is no point in bothering max level toons for trivial reasons.

[Tommara]

Btw, are you going to dodge the question again? C'mon, we're curious about which quests you are going to move to side quest.

Of course I can't answer that question unless I start a new toon. I finished ARR a long time ago, and my objective back then was just slogging through them, not writing down which fetch quests were unnecessary. I found most of them pretty boring. But you knew the answer to that before you asked it, didn't you? That people aren't going to write down the names of boring quests, instead of hoping they will end soon?

But now I've found it's not just me. Two members of my household, both long time MMO players have since abandoned the ARR MSQ, the latest one with only about 4 quests to go. Both are former Everquest players and so know time wasters when they see them.

However, both are burned out on theme park MMOs, as am I. It's possible that players who aren't as burned out on them might enjoy them.