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[Shougun]

I mean they don't even need to bring him 'back' technically. Dude is for all intents and purposes chilling in the Lifestream since no one knows what actually happened to him after 5.3. And before that according to the White Day short stories from last year he can still be 'reached' since Hyth's shade managed to send all the presents his way. Really just have the WoL pull one of their usual shenanigans that would permanently maim any other character, plop us down there, and a one off conversation is more than likely.

He also has a mass load of leftover creation magic one might say is stained 'him' (like Bahamut aether for Summoner) and a fractured(ish) WoL that could develop mind troubles, could bring him back while not actually bringing 'him' back. If they wanted to state him dead. Something happens to finally tip the WoL's seams too far and their natural barrier to the outside breaks (like an immune system against magic), returning to Amaurot the entirety of Amaurot enters the WoL. Cloud fallen into the Mako stream sequences, Emet's energy and his history in your mind with your fragile unity creating a tangible entity of him (born by you). Him, fragments of him at least, helping you return to a normal state (while ensuring he and his city are intertwined). Antagonist in some ways (still wants to protect and preserve his people), protagonist in others, like ensuring the crack in your immune system (magical barrier to outside entities) is functioning such you don't have a 13th shard invasion to your soul lol, notably this Emet is not entirely tempered (being part of his left over Amaurot energy and part WoL). Some opportunity to have an internal world space (like you uncover / develop sections of Amaurot, as it's now part of you- at all times). I really like that last city so having more of it, giving it some more Chrono Trigger end of time vibes (End of Time was a NPC / time teleport hub area, etc) could be neat.

[Lauront]

He also has a mass load of leftover creation magic one might say is stained 'him' (like Bahamut aether for Summoner) and a fractured(ish) WoL that could develop mind troubles, could bring him back while not actually bringing 'him' back. If they wanted to state him dead. Something happens to finally tip the WoL's seams too far and their natural barrier to the outside breaks (like an immune system against magic), returning to Amaurot the entirety of Amaurot enters the WoL. Cloud fallen into the Mako stream sequences, Emet's energy and his history in your mind with your fragile unity creating a tangible entity of him (born by you). Him, fragments of him at least, helping you return to a normal state (while ensuring he and his city are intertwined). Antagonist in some ways (still wants to protect and preserve his people), protagonist in others, like ensuring the crack in your immune system (magical barrier to outside entities) is functioning such you don't have a 13th shard invasion to your soul lol, notably this Emet is not entirely tempered (being part of his left over Amaurot energy and part WoL). Some opportunity to have an internal world space (like you uncover / develop sections of Amaurot, as it's now part of you- at all times). I really like that last city so having more of it, giving it some more Chrono Trigger end of time vibes (End of Time was a NPC / time teleport hub area, etc) could be neat.

Very much like the sound of all that!

[KizuyaKatogami]

Was there anything in there confirming it was him narrating the trailer, and not just someone who sounds somewhat like him?

As I recall, some people were dead certain that the mystery voice narrating the Shadowbringers trailer had to be Ardbert.

A lot of those people were tone-deaf, and Graha’s voice hadn’t been heard before. Emet’s voice is known and they literally use the same exact lines as the ones he utters in Amaurot...it’s him lol.

[Iscah]

A lot of those people were tone-deaf, and Graha’s voice hadn’t been heard before. Emet’s voice is known and they literally use the same exact lines as the ones he utters in Amaurot...it’s him lol.

I only saw the Japanese trailer - not sure how I ended up on that one rather than English; I think I just followed a link someone had posted. So I don't know what they were saying, but I like minimal spoilers so that suits me anyway.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Actually I'm reading that statement to mean they're not in the same boat - although it may be missing the actual comparison.

Lahabrea wasn't "literally" trapped in auracite but was pulled into the Eye, which functioned the same way and was subsequently destroyed.

The question may be asking about his first defeat in ARR but Ishikawa didn't take it that way.

But was destroyed through unconventional means which they end up stating. They leave both open ended however which does raise major eyebrows and especially with the raid reveal well.... seems pretty obvious where they’re going with it lol.

[Iscah]

But was destroyed through unconventional means which they end up stating. They leave both open ended however which does raise major eyebrows and especially with the raid reveal well.... seems pretty obvious where they’re going with it lol.

Her key statement, though, is:

Although he wasn’t imprisoned in the White Auracite, you can technically say he’s in the same situation.

I take that to mean "in the same situation as he would be if he had been trapped in auracite" despite a different substance being used to trap him.

Whether this statement was made before or after planning the Pandemonium raid is another question. Assuming that is indeed Lahabrea and not just Lahabrea's mask being used as an all-purpose Ascian mask, as it was in the Eden's Promise poster.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Her key statement, though, is:



I take that to mean "in the same situation as he would be if he had been trapped in auracite" despite a different substance being used to trap him.

Whether this statement was made before or after planning the Pandemonium raid is another question. Assuming that is indeed Lahabrea and not just Lahabrea's mask being used as an all-purpose Ascian mask, as it was in the Eden's Promise poster.

I mean, it’s his sigil. His sigil is Mateus. Pandaemonium is from ff2. FF2’s main antagonist is Mateus...

[Lauront]

We can sit there all day quibbling about terms, but I am unconvinced that piercing the eyes would suffice to end Lahabrea, when being absorbed into a Primal did not suffice to do the job by that point. It's no blade of light piercing him - and again, it would not suffice to destroy him, just to expel him to the Aetherial Sea, assuming it worked. Meanwhile, Emet was struck with that, and as she notes, "believed" to be completely destroyed.

Our boy's coming back.

[WhiteArchmage]

We can sit there all day quibbling about terms, but I am unconvinced that piercing the eyes would suffice to end Lahabrea, when being absorbed into a Primal did not suffice to do the job by that point. It's no blade of light piercing him - and again, it would not suffice to destroy him, just to expel him to the Aetherial Sea, assuming it worked. Meanwhile, Emet was struck with that, and as she notes, "believed" to be completely destroyed.

I mean, the only entity there after Thordan was Nidhogg. I don't recall ANY mention of Lahabrea's soul or consciousness remaining in the eyes. Heck, we offed THREE Primals (counting Estinihog) with them; if Lahabrea's essence had still been in the eyes, you'd think he would have body hopped into the very tired Estinien, or that Zenos would have mentioned it after taking over Shinryu.

I don't think Lahabrea will be a physical presence in Pandemonium, but rather that it'll deal with his legacy. Not unless Lahabrea's character is heavily reworked in EW.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean, the only entity there after Thordan was Nidhogg. I don't recall ANY mention of Lahabrea's soul or consciousness remaining in the eyes. Heck, we offed THREE Primals (counting Estinihog) with them; if Lahabrea's essence had still been in the eyes, you'd think he would have body hopped into the very tired Estinien, or that Zenos would have mentioned it after taking over Shinryu.

I don't think Lahabrea will be a physical presence in Pandemonium, but rather that it'll deal with his legacy. Not unless Lahabrea's character is heavily reworked in EW.

I don’t think it even needs a rework tbh. Again he’s an Unsundered. Plus they’ve had the protagonists live through far worse without any real plot explanation(Graha comes to mind). The fact they didn’t outright say he’s dead is very telling.