MSQ

[Snowdove]

At least in my feeling, maybe some of these "filler" quests might be more tolerable if there wasn't such a looooong time between doing something interesting.


Meaning all too often I spend 15/20 minutes reading quest text, watching a cut scene, running here and there, all before I get to spend a whole 15 second shooting something.


The ratio, at least in ARR, between waiting and action is waaay off and is likely what chases a lot of people away.

[Kozh]

While I understand people got frustrated with arr filler quests (even I feel a bit frustrated too back then), I think they also forgot that 2.1-2.5 is 2 years worth of content. Each patch drop, then wait for 3 months before the next came. Of course it will be much more bearable. Now that people are complaining about how long it is, our current patch only got 10 short quests, which can be done in less than a day.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Doesn't really qualify as "shoehorned" when the plot was written around it to begin with.

[TheMightyMollusk]

ARR also had a lot of rushed parts because they were trying to recover from the critical disaster of Legacy. Whatever good points it may have had (I wasn't there, I can't judge), 1.0 was a complete failure in business terms, and ARR was under huge pressure to fix it. So there was a lot of throwing things at the wall to see if they'd stick. We can see from guildhests, battlecraft leves, the MSQ roulette, and the higher difficulty tuning of the Binding Coils, among others, that quite a few things didn't go as planned.

[TheMightyMollusk]

So they should've written an entirely different plot because you don't like a character? Because if we can do that, I'd love to go back and make Zenos stay dead in Stormblood.

[Arkevorkhat]

So they should've written an entirely different plot because you don't like a character? Because if we can do that, I'd love to go back and make Zenos stay dead in Stormblood.

Absolutely not.

I'm unhappy specifically BECAUSE they added a weak, questionably consistent twist to the story because they thought that people would be mad if they killed G'raha.

They should *not* have written an entirely different plot just because people did like a character.

They had been foreshadowing G'raha's death from the beginning of the expansion, and then said "actually no, he's actually still alive." A decision that took what could have been an extremely powerful, impactful story point and turned it into a weak, meaningless one.

Imagine if they said "uhh, actually... Here's Haurchefant back, he never actually died." People would be pissed, his death was a major story point in Heavensward, and he was a beloved character.

Stories and plot points should have consequences. All they've done here is tell the community that until we see a funeral, there is no death in the FF14 story, and that's a really poor precedent to set.

[Seera1024]

Absolutely not.

I'm unhappy specifically BECAUSE they added a weak, questionably consistent twist to the story because they thought that people would be mad if they killed G'raha.

They should *not* have written an entirely different plot just because people did like a character.

They had been foreshadowing G'raha's death from the beginning of the expansion, and then said "actually no, he's actually still alive." A decision that took what could have been an extremely powerful, impactful story point and turned it into a weak, meaningless one.

Imagine if they said "uhh, actually... Here's Haurchefant back, he never actually died." People would be pissed, his death was a major story point in Heavensward, and he was a beloved character.

I don't have a problem with them having added G'raha to the story and the Scions. Since the Trust system pulls from the Scions mostly for the permanently available options they probably wanted a tank that was capable of tanking without the limitations that Thancred has due to the story. Or to avoid having to replace another member of the trusts since they have to replace Ryne since she's only available on the First and not the Source.

I wish they had done it such that he didn't get the memories back. They weren't too sure in the First if the transference would work given the G'raha back on the Source had a soul still. Then he could have had an arc of him feeling like he has to try to live up to who he had become on the First - the Exarch. But then coming to an understanding that he just needs to be himself after realizing that the Exarch became the Exarch due to the circumstances he was in - circumstances that Shadowbringers' story was designed to prevent in the first place.

I just hope he quickly moves past the fanboy stage with several of the more notable characters. As that will get old quickly.

[Arkevorkhat]

I don't have a problem with them having added G'raha to the story and the Scions. Since the Trust system pulls from the Scions mostly for the permanently available options they probably wanted a tank that was capable of tanking without the limitations that Thancred has due to the story. Or to avoid having to replace another member of the trusts since they have to replace Ryne since she's only available on the First and not the Source.

I mean, it's already confirmed that we're getting Estinien into the trust system with 6.0, personal hygiene joke and all.

Besides, there are a bunch of people who could have been added to the trust system as tanks before dragging the Exarch from the first.
Arenvald, for example.

[Seera1024]

I mean, it's already confirmed that we're getting Estinien into the trust system with 6.0, personal hygiene joke and all.

Besides, there are a bunch of people who could have been added to the trust system as tanks before dragging the Exarch from the first.
Arenvald, for example.

I did mention that they had to replace Ryne already. I just didn't mention who they brought in to replace her.

And those tank possibilities might have other responsibilities in the story that would prevent them from being used.

Also probably easier to keep than swap out characters so they probably were trying to avoid doing that where plausible.

It was possible for G'raha. I just wish they had gone about it in a different way.

[SturmChurro]

G'raha is in a real sad state currently, because he's pretty much still the Crystal Exarch. If we really had to have him, the Crystal Exarch should have stayed dead in the Crystal Tower on The First, and G'raha Tia should have had a new character arc; coming to terms with his future self's sacrifice. As G'raha Tia and The Crystal Exarch were at that point different people. As it stands now, G'raha Tia is pitiful, in my view. He gladly shirked all his duties on the first, all the people who saw him as a leader - even a father - just so he can follow around the WoL like a schoolboy, with his hero-worship. The Crystal Exarch truly sacrificing himself for his people, would have told a much better story.