PVP REWARDS SUGGESTION (FEAST)

[PatriotTEX]

it's pretty much too late at this point for any change to feast since itll be dead in Endwalker.

they had perfect opportunity to turn 8v8 into a casual fun mode with its own currency for winning and shop seperate from collars/marks but decided to just ignore feast besides few adjustment to jobs and just let seasons roll.

I don't think its too late for FFXIV PvP and you can tell they are moving away from PvP work and refinement. So im just suggesting some new work arounds to continue adding to pvp with minimizing the workload on the probably small pvp dev team that will satisfy most people. plus if they add the models from the top 100 armors to the reward list im sure feast seasons would spike for the true endgame GLAM.

[Commander_Justitia]

You will never get old rewards. There are enough glams and mounts for you to be happy with, stop being so damn greedy. There is no activity that could resemble the effort people went through to get top100.

And just saying, if you look at the last seasons, they reskinned old rewards, if you want them so badly, you could have done it, those were the most dead/easiest seasons ever. But you don't do it, because you don't like PvP, it is too much work, you want a grind instead of competition. Well, do the crafting or potd leaderboard then, have fun.

[PatriotTEX]

You will never get old rewards. There are enough glams and mounts for you to be happy with, stop being so damn greedy. There is no activity that could resemble the effort people went through to get top100.

And just saying, if you look at the last seasons, they reskinned old rewards, if you want them so badly, you could have done it, those were the most dead/easiest seasons ever. But you don't do it, because you don't like PvP, it is too much work, you want a grind instead of competition. Well, do the crafting or potd leaderboard then, have fun.

NOPE. i will be greedy and im not demanding the rewards be the same feast t100 only suggesting a watered down version of the legacy gear to keep casual interest. through participation into the feast itself. you keep exclusivity and WoW factor but pvp is the lowest audience content. yeah we see top100 feast rewards but like the top crafter gather board from restoration...no one is impressed with what they actually did. plus we all know the restoration was plauged with BOTs making the titles very Low respectability. outside of close friends

[Canadane]

We need more exclusive and limited items, not less.
Stop asking to be able to get everything. Go earn it if you want it, it'll mean more to you that way.

[PatriotTEX]

nope gonna keep asking PvP participation is very low on my DC and it is an issue that can be resolved especially if we are known for the Glam and RP community. Glam rewards are not a bad idea to bring in fresh waves of PVP players and completionism. there are more ideas that include exclusive rewards on the lines of type of PVP to participate for the content. if you read i state that the old feast rewards come in as a Weathered status and can only be achieved by Feast participation. im keeping the exclusivity of the reward. and degrading the casual reward in comparison to the reward the top 100 just achieved. its like holding an artifact weapon vs the Ultimate variant...top 100 is better and shows the players YEAH im a bad mamma jamma but the other weapons is also the same design and diffrent effect. still got it in a casual fashion. bring that to PVP and SE will see a more larger participation pool.

[Dewslam]

We need more exclusive and limited items, not less.
Stop asking to be able to get everything. Go earn it if you want it, it'll mean more to you that way.

Just popping into this thirteen page thread to share my opinion: more exclusive and limited items is the absolute worst route to take. They breed a lot of negativity, toxicity and elitism as well as killing the motivation to keep playing for people who narrowly miss margins or simply can't reach whatever the arbitrary barrier of entry. One of the absolute classic examples of this coming straight from World of Warcraft being the legendary black AQ mount which only a handful of people managed to get, its window of access being open for exactly ten hours per server, and its permanent exclusive status rendering so many mount collectors collections incomplete forever that they lost interest in the game because, through no real lack of effort or skill on their own but rather the simple fact that they hadn't managed to reach one specific point within one specific ten hour window, they'd never be able to close that gap and future additions only made it worse. Later game additions of exclusive legendary equipment and items produces some of the least pleasant gameplay experiences I've ever had in an MMO; entire guilds would shatter if the right person didn't get the fancy toy they wanted despite everyone wanting, and often being able to use, it simply due to the prestige and rarity of it all.

Exclusivity and limited time items are, ultimately, selfish and detrimental to the game at large. They cater to an increasingly small percentage of players at the expense of literally every other member of the community - and that's just terrible design on principal. Earlier in this thread someone tried to compare Feast rewards to the Ultimate raid rewards, but it's a fundamentally flawed comparison because the Ultimate items aren't going anywhere and whenever someone new gets an ultimate weapon - most people are supportive of it. Which is always the funny part, the loudest voices complaining that more people completing ultimate raids through whatever means "cheapens" the achievement are the players who usually haven't even touched that content themselves. Most ultimate raiders don't care because someone else getting the same toy they do doesn't devalue their experience and time in the least and generally people can recognize that. Yet when the idea of even bringing back ages old retired PVP items the tears come out about how doing so would devalue personal achievement while calling the people who want items accessible to everyone greedy and selfish.

In short: if someone else having a similar item to you upsets you, you probably just need to grow up.

[Ixon]

Exclusivity and limited time items are, ultimately, selfish and detrimental to the game at large. They cater to an increasingly small percentage of players at the expense of literally every other member of the community - and that's just terrible design on principal. Earlier in this thread someone tried to compare Feast rewards to the Ultimate raid rewards, but it's a fundamentally flawed comparison because the Ultimate items aren't going anywhere and whenever someone new gets an ultimate weapon - most people are supportive of it. Which is always the funny part, the loudest voices complaining that more people completing ultimate raids through whatever means "cheapens" the achievement are the players who usually haven't even touched that content themselves. Most ultimate raiders don't care because someone else getting the same toy they do doesn't devalue their experience and time in the least and generally people can recognize that. Yet when the idea of even bringing back ages old retired PVP items the tears come out about how doing so would devalue personal achievement while calling the people who want items accessible to everyone greedy and selfish.

In short: if someone else having a similar item to you upsets you, you probably just need to grow up.

Negativity, toxicity, and elitism happens in dungeons in ffxiv, it happens everywhere, so singling it out to just time limited or exclusive items is a weird take. Does it happen more often? Probably. But that happens in literally everything that's a competition, no one likes to lose. Comparing a 10-hour event to a 1-3 month on average event it a bit of a stretch tbh, and if someone quits cause they can't get that one thing, sometimes you can't always get what you want idk what to tell you.

If you don't think there isn't elitism to from people who clear Ultimates on the patch it was released vs people who clear with better gear down the line, oof. And if you don't think if someone gets something easier than someone who had to get it the original, most likely more difficult way, big oof. It really just seems like you don't like competition, which is fine if you don't. Some of us do though, so let us that do enjoy what little competition we get.

In short: If someone else having a item you didn't get upsets you, you probably just need to grow up.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

"If you were to not qualify once again on the board you should have everything taken away from you" - Again no? If I got a top500 spray in Overwatch for season 10, I don't lose it if I am not top 500 in season 11. If I win the superbowl in 2018, I don't lose my ring if I don't in 2019.

Thing is. Here you don't get a ring for the 2019 superbowl. You get a diferent prize each season.
Same as with medals.

Yes, you won THAT season: But next season the reward is open once again for competitors - Here that doesn't happend. Why you are exactly in oposition to competition.

In short: If someone else having a item you didn't get upsets you, you probably just need to grow up.

This is exactly the kind of midset that doesn't flourish in the rest of the game, that most players don't care about and why The Feast is a complete and massive failure.

[Ixon]

Thing is. Here you don't get a ring for the 2019 superbowl. You get a diferent prize each season.
Same as with medals.

Yes, you won THAT season: But next season the reward is open once again for competitors - Here that doesn't happend. Why you are exactly in oposition to competition.

But, it's a different ring? Just as the rewards are a different, even just a recolor, mount or armor for that season?

This is exactly the kind of midset that doesn't flourish in the rest of the game, that most players don't care about and why The Feast is a complete and massive failure.

This was literally just a jab at the person I responded to if you go back and read what they said, chill bro.

[Araxes]

2. Prior feast top 100 armors into the wolf collar rewards after their 20 season (legacy).
3. Put legacy Feast mounts into the wolf coin/marks rewards.

By the Gods will the begging for old Feast rewards ever end?

There was a rediculous abundance of threads like this in the past, its bad enough we have recolors of the flying Chair now due to covid 19 resource starvation. Stop trying to make old rewards worthless. They are only special because only very few people still playing have them, as soon as you all have them, you wouldnt use them for long because then they wouldnt be special anymore.