What was the Japanese reception to Nier crossover?

[linayar]

I can accept a lot of what is going on with the Nier raid but that's my main gripe. Sure, I get the "the expansion is on the First so the raid must be", but that's not an in game explanation.
Midgar and Omega landed on the Source after the Sundering, through space travel. So my understanding was that in the physical plane, The Source would be accessible physically through travelling. And Shards are just other dimensions which you can travel to through more complex means (Ascian magics for instance). But anything coming from outer space would see the Source, and land on the Source.

But now, we have the Nier aliens that came directly on the First (I don't recall any mention that they came to the Source before "phasing" into the First). So did Hydealyn's Sundering applied further from the original planet, and the Nier aliens only exist in that dimension? (which would technically mean that this is the "same" dimension as our real world, or at least Drakengard/Nier's depiction of it.) Or is there something I am missing?

The Yorha enemies didn't come to the First through space travel, so any limitation of going to the shard via space travel wouldn't apply.

[MorionQ]

At this point I wonder if the sundering literally launched a bunch of identical planets into outer space with Zodiark’s fragmented pieces in each new one’s moon and not the mirror image dimensions we initially assumed. It would just mean rejoining is much more physical and the messed up sky over the Void maybe being a hint as to why the Ascians scrapped it verses the light consumed First.

I just feel like we’re struggling so badly because of how everything everything connects together in some nice, neat way EXCEPT this raid. Hoping these weeklies clean it up.

[Ardyvald]

The NieR raids are permanent, alter the landscape, and even now have a weekly questline. After the very end of the raid, it's finally explained why everything is there and is out of place (though I have no idea why the First and not on the Source?). The FFXI, FFXIII, and FFXV events were all temporary and have no mark at all in the game.

It would take some mental gymnastics to explain that the trashed dwarf town and giant space station that you can see from Kholusia don't exist. Judging by the weekly quests, we're going to see more NieR stuff out in the open world soon as well.

Oh no please no more of this shit.... They already ruined the "Alliance raid" slot with a collab, i'd prefer not seeing spillover more than necessary...
Just to be clear about how I see things (copypaste from a previous message I did) :

I may be wrong to think like that, but I consider Alliance Raids as "part of main content" (aka part of expected content in any expansion, and FF universe related) and collaboration as "entirely side content" (be it anything).
I was rather "ok-ish" with the introduction of the MH Trial because it is side content (did they have to cut main content to add this trial ? i'm not sure, so i'd be happy to hear more about it).
MH story-wise was... meh, but that was to be expected (all collabs feel disjointed, or maybe that's just me)

As far as i'm aware, FFXIV is kind of a "Theme Park" reuniting all Final Fantasy games, more or less.
To me, collabs are just collabs, they shouldn't replace main content. Ever.

And I disagree with the "This is canon because story and impact in the world" statement. Why ? Because this would then, by default, put anything lasting in the game as canon, wherever that content comes from. So yeah cool, let's just do a Mario Collab / Horizon Collab replacing main content and weave a story around and tadaaaaaaa ! that's canon!
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*sigh* fml....

[Jandor]

But now, we have the Nier aliens that came directly on the First (I don't recall any mention that they came to the Source before "phasing" into the First). So did Hydealyn's Sundering applied further from the original planet, and the Nier aliens only exist in that dimension? (which would technically mean that this is the "same" dimension as our real world, or at least Drakengard/Nier's depiction of it.) Or is there something I am missing?

I don't believe it has ever been clarified how far the sundering spread, it's generally assumed that it was a rather localized event but no one is really sure. I don't think the writers even know, leaving it deliberately open ended just in case they fancy doing something with it later.

That aside though, I got the impression the whole Nier raid arrived (and left) through a dimension hopping portal. I don't see any real reason they would have had to end up on the Source.

[linayar]

As far as i'm aware, FFXIV is kind of a "Theme Park" reuniting all Final Fantasy games, more or less.
To me, collabs are just collabs, they shouldn't replace main content. Ever.

As a theme park, it is not constrained by what kind of "rides" it wants to feature. Disneyland can feature many attractions that Disney owns even if they're not originally created by Disney. FFXIV, as a theme park MMORPG, does not have to strick to the FF franchise for inspirations of its contents, regardless of the type of content, but especially for non-MSQ, which are still side contents even if they may be a main attraction.

And I disagree with the "This is canon because story and impact in the world" statement. Why ? Because this would then, by default, put anything lasting in the game as canon, wherever that content comes from. So yeah cool, let's just do a Mario Collab / Horizon Collab replacing main content and weave a story around and tadaaaaaaa ! that's canon!
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*sigh* fml....

Well, you know, that's just how canon works. The author of the canon decides what is canon. And as you've said, alliance raid is a "main content." It doesn't automatically become not canon just because there are guest creators brought in to help develop it unless otherwise stated.

[CKNovel]

Oh no please no more of this shit.... They already ruined the "Alliance raid" slot with a collab, i'd prefer not seeing spillover more than necessary...

I think it's already too late, we got no "Tribe quest" this time, maybe it was replaced by the Nier quest.
But in the future I don't think we'll see more Nier. The arc has concluded and doesn't let rooms to anything "Nier"else. On top of that, Nier is the only remaining content that concerns Norvrandt, Eden has concluded in 5.4.
At most we'll get extra feature/content in Norvrandt but I doubt about that unless they find a way to connect the source and the first.

As far as i'm aware, FFXIV is kind of a "Theme Park" reuniting all Final Fantasy games, more or less.
To me, collabs are just collabs, they shouldn't replace main content. Ever.

And I disagree with the "This is canon because story and impact in the world" statement. Why ? Because this would then, by default, put anything lasting in the game as canon, wherever that content comes from. So yeah cool, let's just do a Mario Collab / Horizon Collab replacing main content and weave a story around and tadaaaaaaa ! that's canon!

XIV is a theme park, sure. But it reimagine things and invent. Or create things any FF players could not experience before.
Omega Vs Shinryu happened way long ago before FF V yet we witnessed it.
Bismark is an odd summon that rarely appears and it has a major role in HW. Same goes for Lakshmi.

The difference is that most content is integrated into XIV and so far only Nier exists in its own bubble, which already exist in Norvrandt, a place cut from the source.
To explain it better, if you cut Crystal Tower raids, the story makes no sense. If you cut Alexander, you have a major plot hole. You can't cut Ivalice as Bozja and the IVth legion are heavily tied to it, which are part of the Garlean empire.
You can cut Shadow of Mhach, you'll get less story as the raid wasn't as connected (until the future?) but Nier, you can cut it entirely and you would miss nothing. It doesn't brings anything to XIV universe and is not anchored on anything existing.

You could even make another separate Nier collab, it couldn't be tied to Nier:Automata collab since it's in Norvrandt and isolated, unless it's in Norvrandt again.
That's how """canon""" Nier raid is. You can apply the Nier raid story to any other game, even Mario, MH or Pokemon they come from another world, they do things that doesn't impact the world or are tied to the world, they all suddenly leave.

[Alleo]

Wait... in what way are the raids not cannon to FF14?

The raid is canon to the game but I guess you can say that the whole Nier universe behind that isnt. For example if its true that Yoko Taro said that this raid will be canon in his stories, then that would in turn mean that somewhere Nier and all the other games also happened in the FF14 universe. I guess in that case its easier to say that these connections are not canon, so the Nier raid happened in FF14 but that does not mean that there is a whole Nier universe out there.

[ItMe]

I think it's already too late, we got no "Tribe quest" this time, maybe it was replaced by the Nier quest.

This is not the case.
Yoshi P said they didn't have a big capstone tribe quest for ShB because they couldn't think of a good one and Covid made them axe a lot of "non essential content."
We're not getting Yorha weeklies instead of a tribe quest.

[ReynTime]

Actually, reddit likely has a far higher number of active participations than this forum does. It speaks volumes the devs have acknowledged on several occasions they read reddit because of its sheer activity. It helps reddit doesn't have the reputation this forum does for lax moderation.

It doesn't have lax moderation but like any big sub-reddit there is a strong hivemind in it, and opinions get shot down or flamed if they don't fit their agenda.

[Bright-Flower]

Oh no please no more of this shit.... They already ruined the "Alliance raid" slot with a collab, i'd prefer not seeing spillover more than necessary...
Just to be clear about how I see things (copypaste from a previous message I did) :


As far as i'm aware, FFXIV is kind of a "Theme Park" reuniting all Final Fantasy games, more or less.
To me, collabs are just collabs, they shouldn't replace main content. Ever.

And I disagree with the "This is canon because story and impact in the world" statement. Why ? Because this would then, by default, put anything lasting in the game as canon, wherever that content comes from. So yeah cool, let's just do a Mario Collab / Horizon Collab replacing main content and weave a story around and tadaaaaaaa ! that's canon!
...
*sigh* fml....

I mean I think it'd be dumb if they did a Mario collab that was canon sure but me thinking its dumb or not making sense doesn't affect whether it's canon or not. You can choose to ignore the Nier stuff in your headcanon if you want but that doesn't affect whether or not it's actually canon.