Fixing Player engagement DEV pls consider

[Brightamethyst]

Problem is, you can't have personal scoring in a group setting. Someone puts an AoE in the wrong place and you die through no fault of your own? There goes your gold medal!

Any scoring would have to be collective, which still doesn't work because it would just add another layer of toxicity and elitism in high end content.

[SturmChurro]

Problem is, you can't have personal scoring in a group setting. Someone puts an AoE in the wrong place and you die through no fault of your own? There goes your gold medal!

Any scoring would have to be collective, which still doesn't work because it would just add another layer of toxicity and elitism in high end content.

Yep! People would start blaming me for them not getting their gold! I don't even know why!

[Ath192]

Problem is, you can't have personal scoring in a group setting. Someone puts an AoE in the wrong place and you die through no fault of your own? There goes your gold medal!

Any scoring would have to be collective, which still doesn't work because it would just add another layer of toxicity and elitism in high end content.

Hmm this is a potential pitfall of the system, true. However, I think not, because you're viewing this a very demanding task to accomplish, like you need to perform super well and have no deaths or dmg downs. But the requirements dont need to be that high. And over the course of a raid there is plenty of potential for recovery, it would also get people asking about mechanics if they dont know them or get others invested into explaining them etc... which is something people rarely do right now.

[SturmChurro]

Hmm this is a potential pitfall of the system, true. However, I think not, because you're viewing this a very demanding task to accomplish, like you need to perform super well and have no deaths or dmg downs. But the requirements dont need to be that high. And over the course of a raid there is plenty of potential for recovery, it would also get people asking about mechanics if they dont know them or get others invested into explaining them etc... which is something people rarely do right now.

No.. people explain mechanics... Even if nobody asked. It's quite annoying.

[Ath192]

No.. people explain mechanics... Even if nobody asked. It's quite annoying.

It seems you find annoying that other people are trying to be helpful. Maybe everyone knew the mechanics and so it was unnecessary, that would be best case scenario right? But even if that were the case, why would you find other people trying to help out annoying? At best you could inform them that there is no need and that the whole party knows it. And the purpose of the party chat is to discuss things with your party, presumably about the content that you are currently engaged in. So if that is something that isn't to your liking the party chat channel can be disabled all together and you don't need to read it. But I believe the chat channel for parties was explicitly designed for that purpose, unlike linkshells and free companies.

[Syln]

As long as it's awarded by the game itself and no one else but you can see it : why not^

[Ravor]

I can see your point but honestly i dont think this is necessary

The point of doing group content should focus on finishing the content, adding a personal reward for personal activity kinda not what group content should be, i mean imagine doing savage content and there is this personal rating if your dps is not optimal you get no extra reward, well any black mage will kinda lose heart and motivation if he missed or canceled even 1 spell

[DPZ2]

The primary question for all of this:

Are you willing to endure the latency that would be generated in a 24-man battle in order to record and analyze how 'good' you are? That's a lot of data to analyze on-the-fly.
Remember, this is data that would need to be reported back to the servers, rather than to a file on you local computer, for. Every. Individual. In. A. Raid.

[Ath192]

The primary question for all of this:

Are you willing to endure the latency that would be generated in a 24-man battle in order to record and analyze how 'good' you are? That's a lot of data to analyze on-the-fly.
Remember, this is data that would need to be reported back to the servers, rather than to a file on you local computer, for. Every. Individual. In. A. Raid.

Hmmm... Not necessarily, the game already tells you via chat log how much damage your attacks do, who gets what effect, who dies to what, so it already does all of that correct? So at the end of the instance it can run a report and compile the information since the rewards would be given after the fact which can count as part of the server resources used for that reserved instance. Yes, the number crunching may take additional resources but the information is already available, I believe the PVP instances such as hidden gorge already produce a scoreboard saying how much damage everyone made and whether it was to structures or players. And those are large instances with many players as well.

That being said, I am not an expert, but the PVP scoreboard seems to indicate this is possible.