Dear SE

[Tsumdere]

memes aside, i get the feeling its less the crossover itself, but more the subject of the crossover

This. I have had no problems with any crossovers until now. It was a giant waste of an entire expansions alliance raid series - one that could have been spent exploring the world on the First. I wish we had an entire raid series about Laxenloft in Lakeland or through the memory of Amarout.

A Nier trial would have been fine - but an entire three-part series that axed out unique content, dropped mostly mediocre or samey glams, is the easiest alliance raids since Void Ark, and has a meaningless, impactless "plot" that completely relies on people playing Nier beforehand and is utterly confusing to those who hasn't... miss me with that.

[LisSquid]

I wish we had an entire raid series about Laxenloft in Lakeland or through the memory of Amarout.

I expected nothing but now I am actually really mad they didn't make the Alliance Raids about the first.. What a waste

[Bright-Flower]

This. I have had no problems with any crossovers until now. It was a giant waste of an entire expansions alliance raid series - one that could have been spent exploring the world on the First. I wish we had an entire raid series about Laxenloft in Lakeland or through the memory of Amarout.

A Nier trial would have been fine - but an entire three-part series that axed out unique content, dropped mostly mediocre or samey glams, is the easiest alliance raids since Void Ark, and has a meaningless, impactless "plot" that completely relies on people playing Nier beforehand and is utterly confusing to those who hasn't... miss me with that.

Playing Automata does nothing to make this plot any better. It doesn't really answer any questions etc.

The only benefit you have for having played Automata/Nier/Drakengard is getting to go 'I understand that reference' here and there but none of it matters.

The issue IMO wasn't really the subject matter (Nier Automata) but more so the lazy way the went about the plot. It would have been fine if they'd integrated it into the lore in some way. Given that the raid series is YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse, it could have tied in some way to the end days, or the bad future that the Crystal Exarch came from etc for example. But they did nothing interesting. A Nier raid series didn't HAVE to be a waste of time plot wise.

IMO the issue wasn't the subject matter but the way they integrated (or rather, chose NOT to integrate) it into the lore of FFXIV's setting.

[Tsumdere]

Playing Automata does nothing to make this plot any better. It doesn't really answer any questions etc.

The only benefit you have for having played Automata/Nier/Drakengard is getting to go 'I understand that reference' here and there but none of it matters.

The issue IMO wasn't really the subject matter (Nier Automata) but more so the lazy way the went about the plot. It would have been fine if they'd integrated it into the lore in some way. Given that the raid series is YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse, it could have tied in some way to the end days, or the bad future that the Crystal Exarch came from etc for example. But they did nothing interesting. A Nier raid series didn't HAVE to be a waste of time plot wise.

IMO the issue wasn't the subject matter but the way they integrated (or rather, chose NOT to integrate) it into the lore of FFXIV's setting.

That's totally fair and don't get me wrong, I was rooting for it to be good from when it was announced and thought it would be an alternate bad end timeline plot as well. I was one of the people who was excited to see how it would work. At the end of the day though, it is a meandering plot-less alliance raid with no impact.

Also oof that it's all just references and makes no sense even to veteran Nier players.

[Sotaris]

Yeah I suppose you're right. A healthy mix.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Quite the opposite for me. It got me into Automata and preorder Replicant, hype for 23rd!

I'd also go as far as saying this raid series been probably my favorite so far in this game.

Same here. I even ordered the 2B quarter scale statue being produced by SE and Prime 1 Studios.

[SieyaM]

I never played Nier and really felt like I was missing more than half of what was going on because of it. They really relied on people being familiar with the source material to tell parts of the story. Sure it was spelled out enough what was going on with the dwarves and what not, but the imagery and the things that happened inside the raids were a complete mystery. Who was that last boss, where did they come from, why was the last dungeon designed the way it was so differently from the previous two? Maybe I just wasn't smart enough but the actual raids themselves were a complete bewilderment to me.

[ItMe]

I never played Nier and really felt like I was missing more than half of what was going on because of it.

Really the only thing I can think of that's maybe not explained in the raid is that the flashback where the white dwarf is crushed established that the one you've been speaking to all along has been a clone.

[Kyrj]

Crossovers have their place and it's not in raids. Keep them as side activities for fates or duties like Monster Hunter. The Nier raids do nothing to expand the in game world/lore and are completely pointless.

[TaleraRistain]

Please never do a 3 part cross-over raid ever again. If this was supposed to make me want to play Nier it achieved the opposite.

They just shouldn't let anyone near XIV content who doesn't actually care about the game. The raids make no effort to integrate the setting into XIV, like Crystal Tower and the Ivalice raids did. Those raids had easter eggs for people who had played those games, but they are our own special versions of those places fully integrated into XIV lore and history and even affecting future content like CT ended up doing.

Someone said Yoko Taro doesn't like or care about XIV and, man, did it show.

Whereas Matsuno lovingly crafted his foray into the game.