Why dont they just separate the two?

[Kuroka]

Well yes but actually no. More skillsets would be annoying and i dont wanna be put into a category..

But yes, tuning everything around savage which is only run by so many ppl and only makes up so much content is a terrible shackle...

[Coletergeist]

I get savages, but extremes? Are they really that hard?
I mean, Jade Stoa is a 1 minute fight. Literally.

Only extremes I can think of that are actually "hard" is Emerald, the new Diamond, and perhaps Hades for some? Most of the time extreme fights are basic and have common mechs, just a bit more of them than usual.

Or am I wrong?

[soccerdude8]

im getting closer to end game on my character and im wondering what the issue you are trying to fix here? what does savage and extreme stuff have to do with normal tier? are jobs being excluded from content? is there some kind of toxic elitist meta slave mentality at end game? genuinely curious.

[ItMe]

are jobs being excluded from content?

RDM's had a tough time finding groups for TEA, but that's about it.

Is there some kind of toxic elitist meta slave mentality at end game?

No, there is not.

[P0W3RK1D]

im getting closer to end game on my character and im wondering what the issue you are trying to fix here? what does savage and extreme stuff have to do with normal tier? are jobs being excluded from content? is there some kind of toxic elitist meta slave mentality at end game? genuinely curious.

the devs are focusing and revolving the job system too heavily around number prefect balance in casual gameply, when that stuff is mainly for the comppetitive realm.
and in turn Classes have become more homogenized (espeically evident in the healer, and a bit of the tank role), Class identify is sacrificed, cool and fun mechanics are thrown out (again, just look at what SE did to the healer role when shadowbringers hit, they literally ripped from our classes more abilities from us than they gave back -- abilities of which were arguably the funniest aspects of the jobs that also highlighted their uniqueness and made them feel powerful and cool -- not to mention one more the disgrace that has been shoved upon blue mage for the sake of balance when 90%+ of the game is "casual".

If they could give those lacking classes back their uniqueness, and fun mechanics, and make the limited jobs able to join everyone else in the casual-gameplay realm without the dumb limitations the problem would pretty much honestly be solved, but as ive mentioned multiple times before; that plastic box the devs coded themselves into may need a more...solid solution.

[Seraphor]

Yes, I want to spend x hours learning to play my job through loads of casual content, only to have to start all over again when I get to my first Extreme trial...

[P0W3RK1D]

Yes, I want to spend x hours learning to play my job through loads of casual content, only to have to start all over again when I get to my first Extreme trial...

as im fairly sure i stated in one of my messages, the devs wouldn't need to do away with the current job setups in casual, players could even choose to use them in casual content if thats what they prefer, but i was saying it would be good if there was a separate style/loadout for the casual players, people who value fun and class design over homogenized number perfect balance mechanics when in casual content.

[WhyAmIHere]

as im fairly sure i stated in one of my messages, the devs wouldn't need to do away with the current job setups in casual, players could even choose to use them in casual content if thats what they prefer, but i was saying it would be good if there was a separate style/loadout for the casual players, people who value fun and class design over homogenized number perfect balance mechanics when in casual content.

your opinion of fun != everyone elses.
"The devs should make a casual rotation and a hardcore raider rotation!"
Okay, so now you can get criticized and flamed by using the "Weaker worse" rotation in content. That what you want, to give toxic people more ammo to be toxic with?

[P0W3RK1D]

your opinion of fun != everyone elses.
"The devs should make a casual rotation and a hardcore raider rotation!"
Okay, so now you can get criticized and flamed by using the "Weaker worse" rotation in content. That what you want, to give toxic people more ammo to be toxic with?

and thus we are back at the start. "we dont want elite and toxic players to rage out so lets cater to them, screw the casual players."

[WhyAmIHere]

and thus we are back at the start. "we dont want elite and toxic players to rage out so lets cater to them, screw the casual players."

If all you do is dungeons for roulettes, leveling, glamour farm, or whatever, then there's no real reason to give much thought to playing at top levels. Stop dismissing poor player behavior and anti-group mentality in an MMO of all things by blanket excusing it as "cAsUaLs ArEnT bEiNg CaTeReD tO." Because casual players are.
"Oh no I was pressing nothing but chaos thrust in dungeon and the tank got mad and yelled at me."
Yeah, if you're holding back 3 other people and wasting their time like that I'd be annoyed to. Granted it's a dungeon so I couldn't personally care less, and if someone's being vitriolic, report them. But being told "stop wasting peoples time because you're unwilling to put in a bare minimum of effort to try" is not toxic, it's a response to someone else's toxic mindset; i.e. 'my fun and enjoyment > 3 other peoples time and fun.'

Raid rewards aren't exciting. The ultimate got delayed. What else is there for """hardcore""" raiders to do but log in on [day], clear out the tier, then go about their way? Maybe cap tomestones for the week.
Meanwhile crafting got an overhaul. Gathering got touched up. Gold Saucer got some tweaks in TT. Mahjong was added. Fishing was expanded upon with this ocean fishing thing. Ishgard Restoration. New emotes were added and the ability to consume a food item furnishing while seated to help further immerse role players.

Stop trying to make excuses because you feel you need to justify how oPpReSsEd CaSuAl GaMeRs are.