Quote Originally Posted by Soukyuu View Post
Wow. Seriously now? I give up, it's like talking to a wall.
Last hint: the diagrams show the opposites. And of course they don't have umbral/astral because they only used aether, if any.
This is the classical case of when a belief is so strong ppl convince themselves of a reality that never existed. There was never a standard...ever. Different cultures around the same historical period developed different ideas about elements and their relationships. Some had opposites, some did not. Some had some elements, others did not. You speak of standard but that article proves there *was* no standard. There was only cultural difference. For some reason you take Greek for standard, but there were plenty of systems in opposition to Greek, so I dont know where you get this notion from. Greek is the one you like, fine, just admit its personal preference. Outside of that you are making things up, standard did NOT exist.