Fix the Elemental Wheel

[Soukyuu]

"I don't mind if lightning is weak to water, but wind blowing out fire is ludicrous!" Do you hear yourself lol?

I was actually telling you lightning boils water. It looks like I typed Ice -> Fire instead of Fire -> Ice by mistake. Would you now calm down and continue discussing this in a neutral manner? Thank you.

[Lux_Rayna]

I was actually telling you lightning boils water. It looks like I typed Ice -> Fire instead of Fire -> Ice by mistake. Would you now calm down and continue discussing this in a neutral manner? Thank you.

It is neutral, and I am quite calm...I was just poking fun at you lol. Also I think you are confused, I was responding to your edit. You said you don't care if its fire<->ice or lightning <-> water. That is FFX's elemental system. I'm asking you to explain how that is any less ludicrous than wind-> fire. Because its not, yet you don't seem to mind it and condemn FFXIV for some perfectly "logical" reason known only to you.

Just say you like the others more and be done with it. Pretending there's logic here is like you running around in a cape and underwear claiming you're superman. Yeah ppl can see where you get the idea, but at the end of the day you're still a half naked guy running around like an idiot. Putting on a cape doesn't make you superman, and pretending to logic doesn't make something logical. Call a spade a spade, and call a preference a preference. We can stop pretending logic exists here now.

[Soukyuu]

You said you don't care if its fire<->ice or lightning <-> water. That is FFX's elemental system. I'm asking you to explain how that is any less ludicrous than wind-> fire.

If you're responding to my edit, then you should be asking to explain how water -> fire makes more sense than wind -> fire, no? In which case I can point you to the wiki link again, every culture believing in basic elements used that combination, with wind being opposite of earth. Water is also more likely to quench fire than wind, as I already said.

Changing it to fire <-> wind is just changing it for the sake of changing. While every game strives for originality, there is good and bad originality. Ver 1.0 was bad originality and the wheels are part of it.

As for water <-> lightning, they just coupled fire <-> ice and wind <-> earth, so the only ones left were water and lightning. I never stated water <-> lightning makes more sense than wind -> fire, I only said the other systems made more sense as a whole. One absurdity is better than... uh... about 6?

[Firon]

If you're responding to my edit, then you should be asking to explain how water -> fire makes more sense than wind -> fire, no? In which case I can point you to the wiki link again, every culture believing in basic elements used that combination, with wind being opposite of earth. Water is also more likely to quench fire than wind, as I already said.

Changing it to fire <-> wind is just changing it for the sake of changing. While every game strives for originality, there is good and bad originality. Ver 1.0 was bad originality and the wheels are part of it.

As for water <-> lightning, they just coupled fire <-> ice and wind <-> earth, so the only ones left were water and lightning. I never stated water <-> lightning makes more sense than wind -> fire, I only said the other systems made more sense as a whole. One absurdity is better than... uh... about 6?

Who says this winds just blows air how do you know this wind isnt sucking the air from the fire. You can make up a lot of thing, but back to lux point its a fantasy game and they made it this way cause they wanted to....

[Zyph]

Who says this winds just blows air how do you know this wind isnt sucking the air from the fire. You can make up a lot of thing, but back to lux point its a fantasy game and they made it this way cause they wanted to....

Wind is defined as: "The perceptible natural movement of the air, esp. in the form of a current of air blowing from a particular direction."

If it sucked air, it'd be noted somewhere that it was a Vacuum sort of spell, since that is a pretty big difference. (And it would be pretty awesome.)

On a side note, I think the spell "Choke" was a "vacuum" spell.

So I'm not arguing that fire being put out by wind is "OMG IMPOSSIBRU," but doesn't water putting out fire make more sense?

[Firon]

Wind is defined as: "The perceptible natural movement of the air, esp. in the form of a current of air blowing from a particular direction."

If it sucked air, it'd be noted somewhere that it was a Vacuum sort of spell, since that is a pretty big difference. (And it would be pretty awesome.)

On a side note, I think the spell "Choke" was a "vacuum" spell.

So I'm not arguing that fire being put out by wind is "OMG IMPOSSIBRU," but doesn't water putting out fire make more sense?

Don't need to make sense you just don't like it cause it's in your comfort zone, you guys really need to stop trying to apply real life to games it will get you no where.

[Lux_Rayna]

If you're responding to my edit, then you should be asking to explain how water -> fire makes more sense than wind -> fire, no? In which case I can point you to the wiki link again, every culture believing in basic elements used that combination, with wind being opposite of earth. Water is also more likely to quench fire than wind, as I already said.

>_> based on what? If the wind is strong enough it will put out the fire. If the water is vast enough, it will put out the fire. The two are as likely to put out fire. If I blow a candle, it goes out. If I throw water on it, it goes out. If i throw ice on it, it goes out. If I throw DIRT on it, it goes out.

Water isn't more likely to put out a fire than anything else. The conditions for putting out a fire are universal for everything, drop its heat faster than it can produce it, or otherwise interrupt the process. Dirt, water, ice, wind...they all have to meet the same condition: be bigger/stronger than the flames they are trying to put out.

Again, this is why elemental wheels are illogical. There are no such thing as "elements" in the magical sense, so *anything* is convoluted.