Fix the Elemental Wheel

[Wolfie]

I can't believe you're still trying to reason with this thread >_> you lost from the moment it was created. The minute the OP laid that post down, he said: "this is what it is and to hell with anything else". More or less your efforts are in vain. You gotta give it to em straight like this:

Two small wheels is no more confusing than one big wheel; if you can't see this you should try pulling your head out of your rear. Period. End of discussion. Its fantasy so there is no "supposed to be this way". Disagree you can stfu cuz its not your world, your lore, or any of that. Think im trolling? Every FF game has had a different elemental wheel. Thats right. And what is this? A different FF game. What does that mean? You're so intelligent, I'm sure you can put your big boy pants on and think it through. I'll give you a hint: It means FFXIV will have a different elemental wheel. Get it? Got it? Good.

On to the next one!

It's f**king killing me. This topic feels like the electrolytes sketch from Idiocracy. It's like people don't understand that there's no traditional definition of intuition in play here, there is no standard, the reason and logic behind strengths and weaknesses is highly ambiguous, and that they don't understand their own reasons for wanting this changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vw2CrY9Igs

[Lux_Rayna]

It's f**king killing me. This topic feels like the electrolytes sketch from Idiocracy. It's like people don't understand that there's no traditional definition of intuition in play here, there is no standard, the reason and logic behind strengths and weaknesses is highly ambiguous, and that they don't understand their own reasons for wanting this changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vw2CrY9Igs

It has electrolytes D:<

[Enfarious]

Well this was a fun change of pace from the war <> pld arguments. Kinda wish I had read it all from day 1 but eh.

The real problem is, they were using a reasonable element system throughout nearly all previous FF titles, with fire <-> ice / earth <-> wind / water <-> lightning, but decided to change it for ffxiv. why? because...

A thought on the basis of things in general: ALL fiction is rooted in some fact, a fantasy world, ignoring the fact that it's one carrying the FF torch and all that goes along with that, has to have rules, and for the sake of making it easily accessible and enjoyable to the majority of people drawing on laws found in our own reality is how it tends to work.
Yes those laws can be modified, but to toss them all into the marble bag and pull shit out at random and see what happens will make people put away your book/game/movie.

Ask yourself, honestly now, when is the last time you read/played/watched a movie, a work of pure fiction that strayed from our own realities natural laws so wildly as to say that the majority of the time wind is detrimental to fire or that dark and light can occupy the same space at the same time. The last time that people walked on space and breathed stone, swam in fire and were burned by air? These things feel horribly wrong, you can tell me all about how they don't but deep down you just know it's wrong. The suspension of reality in a fictional work is more a matter of allowing a person to easily transition into a fantastical world than it is about creating a world that has wildly unique laws of physics. The more a person has to "learn" to accept the fiction and understand it, the less enjoyable it will be, and this leads to it being placed on a shelf behind that 1992 copy of CompTIA Server+ in a nutshell.

Ok on the wheels:
I won't say that one shape of wheel or number of wheels is better than the next, just that having them rooted in something that people can already easily relate to simply makes sense.

I can memorize the wheel/s no matter which way they run or what effects what, wrote memorization does not mean intuitive, it's actually quite the opposite, if I had to study and memorize this thing it was rather unintuitive.

If you feel the current wheels are intuitive "now" ask yourself, again honestly, how long was it before you had memorized what spell to use against what mobs? Do the mob families make sense having the elemental alignment they do? I have no clue, I don't even care that much about the wheel/s, again I can memorize it no matter what it ends up, but more importantly until(less) they add elementally aligned weapons I'll go right on stabbing things merrily.