Fix the Elemental Wheel

[Starlord]

So what are you saying...? That there's a satisfying sense of structure, consistent with itself and discernible in other manifestations of the world, that somehow explains the rather ambiguous current elemental structure? Are you saying that criticism of the current system is uncalled for?

By the way, to those that say that Earth, Fire, Air, Water, etc. are not real elements, allow me to respond that--at least at some point of human development--they totally were. Greek philosophers identified the four mentioned above as the building bricks of all matter. They also included a fifth element (in Latin, quinta essentia or quintessence, which the Greeks called Aether, a prophetic forerunner of modern-day consmologists' Dark Matter. More to the point, Aether is a definite reference pointing to the inspiration for SE's elements and the current game's cosmogony.)

If later science found the Classical Elements to be a rather simplistic model, the beauty of this simplicity and structural elegance, guided later scientists and the scientific mind in the search of the fundamental materials of the world. So let's treat the simple elemental scheme with pride, and honor it as a forerunner of the hyper-complex building-block theories in today's Nuclear Physic's and Cosmology.

Many centuries of scientific development later we have compiled a somewhat more complicated elemental table, which is now beyond doubt, thanks to the scientific method and its experimental demonstrations. And yet, the initial, fundamental concept of the "elements" was advanced by the classical philosophers all those centuries ago, in classical antiquity. They, the inventors of our systems of thought, who named these basic substances as Water, Air, Fire, and Earth, would have recognized the patterns in these games. Adding a few more elements to make it more practical for gaming purposes doesn't sound that out of bounds.

R

Again this is a Final Fantasy ( a Fictional world) Myself nor anyone else, shouldn't think that everything in real life has to be 100% Real... :/

[Rutelor]

Again this is a Final Fantasy ( a Fictional world) Myself nor anyone else, shouldn't think that everything in real life has to be 100% Real... :/

All I'm saying is that good fiction tends to have rules as strict as reality's. They might not be as many, but all good writers and creators create consistent worlds with inner logic. Go and revise your favorite imaginary worlds.

That's all I'm saying. Or you think it's just blowing air into a tube what makes bottles?

Anyway, I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this criticism. If you don't see a reason for it, you might very well ignore it. It's rather constructive, and it won't hurt you, or the game.

R

[Starlord]

All I'm saying is that good fiction tends to have rules as strict as reality's. They might not be as many, but all good writers and creators create consistent worlds with inner logic. Go and revise your favorite imaginary worlds.

That's all I'm saying. Or you think it's just blowing air into a tube what makes bottles?

Anyway, I don't understand why so many people are bothered by this criticism. If you don't see a reason for it, you might very well ignore it. It's rather constructive, and it won't hurt you, or the game.

R

Good writers use their imagination and put what they want to put in their story. and not what is "realistic". The Goal of the writer is to pull off an Epic story for the readers.. In a fiction story.. things like Elemental Wheels can be Creative in their own way.. like Wind can blow rocks/boulders around.. Because in the story the Imaginary Mind ( the Creator) makes up the world at hand and decides what 1 thing does better than the other, the way he wants to make it. Not make anything like a Realistic story or another person Imagination story.

So in all in all, Let the Creators do their thing. They have a goal and a mindset.. when they are focused on it... No one should distract them to do something else.

It's not hurting me at all because I'm happy the Creator is making something thats on his imagination.. and not because this person or that person says this would work better.. Giving ideas to the Creator is fine.. then he can make it the way he wants it with that idea, just don't go all crazy and be like it HAS to be this way or it will suck.

Anyways, thats all I have to say on this.

[Rutelor]

Good writers use their imagination and put what they want to put in their story. and not what is "realistic".

I didn't use in this instance, nor do I ever use the word 'realistic' as you are using it, in posts in these forums. I dread it, actually.

So in that we agree.

R

[Starlord]

I didn't use in this instance, nor do I ever use the word 'realistic' as you are using it, in posts in these forums. I dread it, actually.

So in that we agree.

R

All I'm saying is that good fiction tends to have rules as strict as reality's

Imagination has no rules nor boundaries, We the people may not write down, what our imaginations are saying.. but we all do have imagination to some degree.

in anyrate I can't wait to die 10000059890850930505 times to Garuda tomorrow!! :P