Fix the Elemental Wheel

[VanishingSasquatch]

There is also a piece of lore located in game (can't remember at this time) that states that the 2 elemental triangles are also aligned themselves. One set of 3 is aligned as Astral and the other is Umbral. So even if you spell isn't directly opposed to the element your hitting, at least its effectiveness is increased due to Astral/Umbral properties.

[Valmonte]

There is also a piece of lore located in game (can't remember at this time) that states that the 2 elemental triangles are also aligned themselves. One set of 3 is aligned as Astral and the other is Umbral. So even if you spell isn't directly opposed to the element your hitting, at least its effectiveness is increased due to Astral/Umbral properties.

Actually this is incorrect all elements are both Astral/Umbral, some just have a greater affinity than others.

here have a look at the calender wheel:


Notice Both Umbral and Astral Dates/Gods have all the elements.

[Firon]

I thought FFX had the stupid ele wheel Water and lighting beat each other and fire and ice beat each other and dark and holy beat each other that was it. I also remember FF 9 wheel being like FF 11's to some degree but not he same.

[waldo]

"You cast water on the grease fire!"
"The grease fire goes ape-shit and kills your party!!"

[Lurex]

I agree with OP. We should go back to the FFXI on this one. I hate this elemental wheel, it is convoluted.

[indira]

cure should hurt the undead

[Vaymathias]

A thought on the basis of things in general: ALL fiction is rooted in some fact, a fantasy world, ignoring the fact that it's one carrying the FF torch and all that goes along with that, has to have rules, and for the sake of making it easily accessible and enjoyable to the majority of people drawing on laws found in our own reality is how it tends to work.
Yes those laws can be modified, but to toss them all into the marble bag and pull shit out at random and see what happens will make people put away your book/game/movie.

Ask yourself, honestly now, when is the last time you read/played/watched a movie, a work of pure fiction that strayed from our own realities natural laws so wildly as to say that the majority of the time wind is detrimental to fire or that dark and light can occupy the same space at the same time. The last time that people walked on space and breathed stone, swam in fire and were burned by air? These things feel horribly wrong, you can tell me all about how they don't but deep down you just know it's wrong. The suspension of reality in a fictional work is more a matter of allowing a person to easily transition into a fantastical world than it is about creating a world that has wildly unique laws of physics. The more a person has to "learn" to accept the fiction and understand it, the less enjoyable it will be, and this leads to it being placed on a shelf behind that 1992 copy of CompTIA Server+ in a nutshell.

Truth.

Most people ask for games to be more real, but in fact, they want the games to be more "truthful", big difference. Using magic in a realistic way in fiction don't work, sicne magic isn't real, so instead you would want magic to be used in a truthful way.

Whether they "fix" the wheel or not, I hope they only use the wheel(s) for specific high magic type enemies such as espers and elementals, and just make everything else a case by case basis.

Build enemies and their strengths/weaknesses truthfully on a case by case basis. I never liked how, every earth enemy is weak to water and strong to lightning.

[Enfarious]

I'm of the opinion that normal creatures shouldn't be elementally aligned at all, with some exceptions of course, fish live in water, of course that we fight monstrous crabs ... Following the theroy of electricity a bird hit by lightning in midflight would actually be unaffected by the electricity itself as it's not actually grounded and therefore provides no path for electricity to follow to ground. It's the heat generated by the strike that causes that damage, not unlike the squirell running down the high voltage lines running down the road.

Vaymathias your absolutely right, it's not that we are after realism as the above examples point out. It's that we want something that can be believed, where what we know of reality isn't demolished but rather enhanced to become the fantastic.

Everywhere I say we I mean I, and anyone else that chooses to agree with me.

[Volsung]

stop this thread so i can stop +1ing wolfie >.>

look at pokemon, look at .hack, look at FFX, elemental wheel needed? nope.

[Wolfie]

Aww, you're saying that like it's a crime to agree with me.