PSA: If a player takes your loot in an "owner needs" map party, they get to keep it

[QueenKitty]

If another player takes your loot in a "your map your loot" party (also known by owner needs/others greed), they will be allowed to keep the item and you *will not* be reimbursed. Chances are they also face no consequences- no suspension or ban.

TL;DR: If another player steals loot from your map in one of these parties, you will not get it back and you're just SOL. Be careful.

In my case, I was running with a random group in PF on Famfrit- something very common, at least here on Primal. The party finder listed the rule: Map owner needs/other players greed. Very clear loot rules. When we got to my map, I happened to get two frontier cloth drops (the latest map material- was going for 1.64mil at that time) on which one of the other players rolled need on. He managed to win one of them. I asked him to give it back to me when the map finished, and he said "oops." Sure, it happens; muscle memory has caused me to hit need a few times when I wasn't supposed to, and I promptly traded it back afterwards. But after we got out, I sent a trade request, which was immediately declined. Sure, maybe he was doing something. Sent another. He gets a Disconnecting symbol.
Note: prior to my map, he went afk for around 15 minutes, getting carried through a Lyhe Ghiah portal and a few overworld maps. He suddenly came back when we couldn't move on due to him not rolling on loot and I asked if we should kick him. This was right before my map.
I reported him, and also got told that GMs cannot replace the item. I'll admit, having had an awful week and being incredibly annoyed over this, I have checked to see if any suspension or ban occurred- he has been happily doing whatever in the firmament ever since. (It's been well over a day since I was contacted by a game master)
I asked around a bit on discord, and this is not an isolated event. You're pretty much SOL if this happens to you, unless someone in your party feels bad enough to give one to you or something.

I'm sure others have seen the absolutely absurd reasons people get suspended or banned in this game lately- anything from spamming holy in city-states (admittedly annoying, but just as much of harassment as stealing loot from someone's map!) or even advertising an RP venue in the party finder.
So why are people allowed to steal materials from another person's map, where the loot rules were clearly defined as the owner of the map is the only one who is allowed to roll need (loot rules in which they agree to by joining the party finder), keep it, and basically just get away with it?
I was debating whether or not to post this as it may plant the idea in other's heads that they can get away with this, but I really hope this shows people the danger of running these loot rules, and maybe motivates people to finally do something about this.

Edit for clarity: The purpose of this post is primarily to warn others of the dangers of running these loot rules with randoms; you will lose these materials and never get them back. Please be careful.

[GrumbleBeard]

Isn't the "your map your loot" thing a player made rule? If so, you're at the mercy of other players to not be scammed.

[QueenKitty]

Isn't the "your map your loot" thing a player made rule? If so, you're at the mercy of other players to not be scammed.

This is quite literally why I made the post, to warn others that that's exactly how it goes. I should have specified that in the post, sorry.

[Arrhin]

We always go the all "Need" route when we do map parties, but then, we'll make a night of it and it's mostly friends. That said I would trust no one in the PF to keep their word when high stakes loot is in question. Buyer beware.

[Katie_Kitty]

Owner need is a terrible loot rule for maps anyway. People should dump that awful arrangement and just stick with free for all.

[QueenKitty]

Owner need is a terrible loot rule for maps anyway. People should dump that awful arrangement and just stick with free for all.

Owner needs is a nice break as someone who's had awful RNG
Unfortunately I learned the hard way that it isn't worth it...

[Nayout]

This should not work like in the Wow where Blizzard only intervenes in these cases when a deal is established between players and it is broken?

[Vahlnir]

Owner need is a terrible loot rule for maps anyway. People should dump that awful arrangement and just stick with free for all.

It's a great concept provided everyone plays along. I wouldn't trust random strangers to abide by it though.

This should not work like in the Wow where Blizzard only intervenes in these cases when a deal is established between players and it is broken?

I think it should work exactly like this, but...well, it is what it is I guess.

[linayar]

I think if you want owner needs, then you need to pass lead and set lootmaster for every map.

The tool is there to use if you want (unless it doesn't work on map, never actually tried lootmaster, always go for FFA maps). Otherwise, if people can still need/greed the item, then it is what it is.

[QueenKitty]

I think if you want owner needs, then you need to pass lead and set lootmaster for every map.

The tool is there to use if you want. Otherwise, if people can still need/greed the item, then it is what it is.

You cannot use lootmaster on map parties- that is the fundamental issue with these parties.