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    Stat squish making unsynced Extremes and Savages harder is a good thing for the game

    It's pathetic that the modern strat for O12S is called Goodbye World because you just let someone jump off the platform instead of actually trying to solve the mechanics.

    Unsyncing old, formerly difficult content should not preclude players from having to learn the key mechanics, even if they don't always execute it perfectly. Making these mounts super accessible devalues the prestige of Savage mounts. I still like the design of Alte Roite, for example, but I never use it now because any player who doesn't even bother doing mechanics can get them.

    The common retort is that unsync keeps old content fresh and alive. I see this being true for the Bahamut raids as the story content is mixed in with the default difficulty. But what is the point of keeping O12S or A12S fresh and alive if all you're doing is zerging the boss down in a minute and seeing zero relevant mechanics? You might as well go into the equivalent normal raid and do the same.

    I hope Square Enix doesn't cave in and add some insane level of echo to these old fights. It's good that players have to try somewhat to tackle these mechanics. The mechanics are honestly not hard. You just need to work for it. It'll make it all the sweeter when you get the mount. A healthy level of unsync is when players have to do the mechanics but they don't need to perfectly execute everything or do top DPS to still clear the fight. This ensures that the content is respected and players still get to experience the content somewhat as it was like back then.
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    Asuka Kirai
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    I will hold a pristine jar for your tears, don't worry.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    While I don't agree that old, outdated content needs to be particularly hard anymore (you can still min ilvl it for a challenge), I also don't think making it marginally more difficult again by way of a stat squish is a bad idea at all. It's still going to be significantly easier than it was at launch, that's all that matters.

    But for A12S and O12S and your "what's the point?" argument, they have entirely new boss models and music. Even if you're not experiencing the full onslaught of mechanics (you're still seeing most of them) it's still entirely new content for you.
    Hello World isn't something that can be mitigate by just a higher ilvl, hence why a cheese strat exists for it. There's nothing wrong with Goodbye World, and if you want to do it properly you still can.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 06-15-2021 at 07:16 AM.

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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I get to flex my mount for at least an entire tier, that's enough. Afterwards it's too tired to be of any use anyway, might aswell get a new one.
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    Cidel Paratonnerre
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    Hyperion
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    You should post this argument on your main account, not the one created last month that only has WHM unlocked and at 80 with Gladiator at just level 2... Much like the rest. People might get the impression that you're being disingenuous or something...

    Heads-up folks, bait thread.
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    Meteon U'mani
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 77
    Quote Originally Posted by Cidel View Post
    You should post this argument on your main account, not the one created last month that only has WHM unlocked and at 80 with Gladiator at just level 2... Much like the rest. People might get the impression that you're being disingenuous or something...

    Heads-up folks, bait thread.

    Glad you said this is a bait thread. On to the next post.
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    Last edited by Darksummoner; 06-18-2021 at 10:49 PM.

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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Excalibur
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    I fully expect the stat squish to break at least one piece of content and make it completely impossible. Maybe you'll get lucky and it'll be O12S.
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    Last edited by Fawkes; 06-15-2021 at 07:25 AM.

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    Mirabelle Weaver
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    Yup 100% agree
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    The old things will always become easier with time. That's the entire intention of being able to unsync it. As time goes on, you progress your gear and to make that gear progression matter, you've got to be able to 1-shot old enemies with it.

    Most people are not into challenging content so they unsync everything when it gets easy enough and that's just how it is.

    I agree that there should be better incentive to do content minimum item level though. Currently this gives you 5 orchestrion rolls and it could be better, like 4 totems instead of 1. I don't know what they could do to reward doing savage minimum item level but something would be good.
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    For active content it's important stats don't grow too quick, especially for healers, but I strongly believe it is also important that dead content can absolutely be unsync stomped (as is pretty much the case currently, pre-expansion update). Whether that is through the continued evolution of blue mage, or a new echo for your echo buff, I'd be fine either way (and to be honest it may give blue mage more purpose as well I think a better long term fit, given a solo focus design, sync for extra fun can remain ofc).

    The value of allowing a broad range of players to enjoy content in the game imo massively, and I mean absolutely massively, out weighs any sort of devaluing of prestige concept, given the assumption that this doesn't happen to active content (could read basically as "current expansion"), and also escapes ultimate which exists purely to be prestige. That content exists for no other reason.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 06-15-2021 at 07:47 AM.

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