Suspension of character creation: how long?

[Rane]

Off topic: Andrien, I already miss your old sig.

Sorry, just had to get that out there.


But yeah...Ul'dah. More than anything, it's about the shouts now. But the devs already know that. If a critical mass of people start to shout somewhere else, than you can probably expect people to start moving there. I'm not sure HOW you get that critical mass of people to change where they shout, though. It looks like the dev/community team decided to try just plain asking us to do it. And why not? It might work.

EDIT: By the way, I also hope the the cities are redesigned in 2.0 to correct current flaws.

[Davorok]

I think the AFK Bazaars cause a lot of the lag. I have 2 suggestions for a possible fix:

1. Make it so that Bazaars within the city only work in Area B.

or

2. Create a special Market Ward for all the AFK Bazaars.

or

2b. Move the retainers out of the Wards and into our bedrooms, conduct Market Searches/Purchases from the Inns...then use the Wards for Player-Bazaars.

[Hyrist]

This just makes me appreciate being in Gridania for the majority of my game so much more.

[Bahn]

The issue with Uldah is kind of a circular self-sustaining problem.

People stay in Uldah for a number of reasons. I am not a big group player (I play in teams of 2-4 statics), but I stay in Uldah regardless because of the following
1) Uldah's map layout is the most efficient. The Market Ward is right next to the Aethyrite, the shops are relatively nearby, and the Adventurer's Guild is easily accessible.
2) The city offers a lot of repeatable in-city crafting leves. Having to travel all the way to camps just to turn in leves is a huge design flaw for me as a lazy player who hates having to run across tracts of empty land just to complete these crafting leves.
3) The city is in between LL and Gridania - now that we have airships this isn't as much of an issue, but I think this was one of the original reasons why I stayed in Uldah.
4) This one's the most important - a lot of people stay in Uldah because a lot of people are there. Because a lot of people are there, a lot of people stay in Uldah. A lot of players stayed in Uldah for reasons 1 and 2. Before airships and chocobos were introduced, a lot of people stayed in Uldah for reason #3 so that they can get to Grid or LL in an ok amount of time. This was back when we had an extremely flawed anima usage/teleport system.
5) Lots of people = easier to get pickup groups and the shout radius is very large.
6) Lack of Global Chat/LFG channel that is featured in most modern MMOs. This one's probably the big kicker. I'm sure if Yoshida & co. could implement such a channel with the slapdash mess that is the FFXIV 1.x code, they would've done so, but since they can't, people have to adjust and simply spam shouts in the most populated area, which is Uldah Zone A.
7) Slow walkspeed in town without Monk = stay in the town that makes you walk the least, which is Uldah.

Basically, Uldah is one giant huge design flaw that we can't do much about; its attractiveness for practicality is further worsened by the sprawled out and inconvenient designs of the other two cities, which are design flaws upon themselves. The devs have done the best they can to try to patch around these flaws and add features to encourage people to move out of Uldah (increased anima regeneration, lower anima costs for teleporting, airships, chocobos, favorited destinations, universal auction houses, etc), but I think this is a case of too little too late. The game would have to be redesigned from the ground up so that the three cities are equidistant from each other and so that they either offer similar services so that there is no preference for ALL players to stick to one city or completely UNIQUE services that give players a strong reason to stick to one (different) city versus the others.

tl;dr: Wait for 2.0.

[mysterytaru]

I think the AFK Bazaars cause a lot of the lag. I have 2 suggestions for a possible fix:

1. Make it so that Bazaars within the city only work in Area B.

or

2. Create a special Market Ward for all the AFK Bazaars.

or

2b. Move the retainers out of the Wards and into our bedrooms, conduct Market Searches/Purchases from the Inns...then use the Wards for Player-Bazaars.

or 3, like has been suggested elsewhere:

non-optional automatic logoff for players afk for more than an hour.

[Arximiro]

So if someone shouts at the edge of Zone A, someone on the edge of Zone B a few feet away can't see?

[Hulan]

So if someone shouts at the edge of Zone A, someone on the edge of Zone B a few feet away can't see?

Correct, it may not make much sense from a player perspective, but from a design perspective, it's pretty logical (in fact it's how I always assumed it worked).

[ChiefCurrahee]

The way that the original dev team created these servers, you'd think it was their very first outting with an MMO.

What in the heck were they thinking?

[Nakiamiie]

1) Uldah's map layout is the most efficient. The Market Ward is right next to the Aethyrite, the shops are relatively nearby, and the Adventurer's Guild is easily accessible.

This has been addressed with the aetherite network in the cities. Very easy to go anywhere even in the other cities.

2) The city offers a lot of repeatable in-city crafting leves. Having to travel all the way to camps just to turn in leves is a huge design flaw for me as a lazy player who hates having to run across tracts of empty land just to complete these crafting leves.

I agree with that one, haha, especially considering that handing out local leves in camp doesn't change anything in the game world (doesn't make the camps NPCs sell more, have less monsters roaming nearby, etc.)
If a crafter wants to level up quickly, that's definitely the way to go. However, it is possible to go crafting in Zone B! Problem solved.

3) The city is in between LL and Gridania - now that we have airships this isn't as much of an issue, but I think this was one of the original reasons why I stayed in Uldah.

Add to that two return points, there shouldn't be a reason why everyone need to gather in Uldah anymore.

4) This one's the most important - a lot of people stay in Uldah because a lot of people are there. Because a lot of people are there, a lot of people stay in Uldah. A lot of players stayed in Uldah for reasons 1 and 2. Before airships and chocobos were introduced, a lot of people stayed in Uldah for reason #3 so that they can get to Grid or LL in an ok amount of time. This was back when we had an extremely flawed anima usage/teleport system.

Well then, all we need is some brave players to move elsewhere, or AFK show offs to move to Zone B, or linkshell hang out points to be moved to zone B. The problem is really zone A.

5) Lots of people = easier to get pickup groups and the shout radius is very large.

People need to learn how to use the player search function, so much more efficient and easier to use than watch your log get spammed.

6) Lack of Global Chat/LFG channel that is featured in most modern MMOs. This one's probably the big kicker. I'm sure if Yoshida & co. could implement such a channel with the slapdash mess that is the FFXIV 1.x code, they would've done so, but since they can't, people have to adjust and simply spam shouts in the most populated area, which is Uldah Zone A.

Again, why is it needed to shout? What we need is people to flag themselves up in player search if they want to do something. A world chat will only end in a log scrolling too fast and player spamming to be seen. I'm not sure this is good solution to the problem.

7) Slow walkspeed in town without Monk = stay in the town that makes you walk the least, which is Uldah.

Again, use the aetherite network in town! Problem solved!

Basically, Uldah is one giant huge design flaw that we can't do much about; its attractiveness for practicality is further worsened by the sprawled out and inconvenient designs of the other two cities, which are design flaws upon themselves. The devs have done the best they can to try to patch around these flaws and add features to encourage people to move out of Uldah (increased anima regeneration, lower anima costs for teleporting, airships, chocobos, favorited destinations, universal auction houses, etc), but I think this is a case of too little too late. The game would have to be redesigned from the ground up so that the three cities are equidistant from each other and so that they either offer similar services so that there is no preference for ALL players to stick to one city or completely UNIQUE services that give players a strong reason to stick to one (different) city versus the others.

tl;dr: Wait for 2.0.

I'm not we need to go to such extremes as making the cities equidistant from each other and all. The airships doesn't make any difference in the distance between the cities, nor does the teleportation. I think it is a problem that will slowly solve itself when older players realize Uldah has lost its interest of being in the middle.

[Gentaro]

Can't leave Ul'dah when everyone is shouting there for groups - global channel? I don't like global channels, but it would be a way out of this :3