Removal of Piety and Tenacity for Endwalker

[Timmyftw]

I believe it's clear that no one uses piety or tenacity materia.
I am not even quite sure why those stats are in the game at this point.
All the tanks and healers I know avoid it like the plague when it's on gear.
Myself included as a healer main, I actively look for gear without piety.

[Jeeqbit]

Think of piety and tenacity like an AoE. You have to avoid them. If you didn't have stats to avoid it would be like not having any AoE to avoid.

Tenacity does get used by some people who progress savage or ultimate I've heard. It's not that the mitigation isn't nice, it's just that the mitigation usually isn't worth the damage loss because you have so many ways to mitigate already. In fact, if you go back and do old content minimum item level, you have more mitigation on shorter cooldowns than you did originally.

I've heard that some people stack piety because it gives them more MP to do damage with, but I haven't felt it to be necessary myself, especially with Energy Drain having been returned. If you do alliance raids a lot you might find it of use so that you can raise constantly.

[Anhra]

I believe it's clear that no one uses piety or tenacity materia.
I am not even quite sure why those stats are in the game at this point.
All the tanks and healers I know avoid it like the plague when it's on gear.
Myself included as a healer main, I actively look for gear without piety.

This Games simplicity about stats in PvE content has long ago reached a point, where it doesn't even matter what kind of materia we slot in. I mean, i am aware of simple math and that crit/determination is the way to go, but if you look beyond the mere numbers and actually pay close attention how Content is being cleared, you'll see that the damage department is way too high overall from any Job.

What i am telling here is, Content in general is being cleared way too quickly, and materia plays not the biggest role, but a significant part on this .

As for the piety stat, it does have one good thing about it, and that is when you plan on saving a almost completely wiped party all by yourself. It also comes in handy if you run Trials with only one Healer.

[VelKallor]

I believe it's clear that no one uses piety or tenacity materia.

And youd be wrong.

[Theodric]

A handful of players use both but they're rarely considered to be a priority stat judging by how little materia with those stats happens to sell for. Rather than remove them, I'd like to see more relevance for the stats in question.

[Deceptus]

Or. . . we could simplify stats so every job has a max of 3 substats to focus on? 2 primary ones and a 3rd "dump stat". My reasoning is pretty simple: Everyone hates getting that piece that has an "unwanted stat". A slight modification of the substats would make each substat more valuable if it was condensed from 5 to 3.

Tanks get: Crit, Skill speed, Tenacity (increases healing to them).
DPS get: Crit, Skill speed / Spell Speed / Direct Hit
Healers: Crit, Spell Speed, Piety (increases mp regen and healing done)

Lets be honest here, like OP said, there are certain "unwanted stat" that are ignored.

Tanks ignore Tenacity, healers largely ignore Piety and dps ignore Determination. This is despite the tooltips clearly showing that the developers want tanks to use Tenacity and healers to use Piety.

So much so that Tenacity and Piety are tank and healer only stats.

[Arrhin]

I think any discussion about stat weight is premature with the downscale inbound. This will likely change many things and I doubt the effects on balance can be reliably predicted by the playerbase.

[StriderShinryu]

I think any discussion about stat weight is premature with the downscale inbound. This will likely change many things and I doubt the effects on balance can be reliably predicted by the playerbase.

While I do think Piety and Tenacity are in a bit of a category of their own, I agree with the general sentiment here. The hand wringing over the job adjustments for 5.5 was ludicrous. First off, we're going into an expansion with adjusted job performance and balance (and maybe even some full/partial reworks) AND we're also getting an overall stat squish. It's not like your 10 potency that you think should have been 20 or whatever really matters.

[Vahlnir]

I think Piety and Tenacity need to be made worth using instead of removing them outright. But that's just my opinion.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I have the solution. Make direct hit only meld able by dps.