Still a penalty to leave dungeon even when you stay past the initial 30 minute mark?

[Sekurity]

Im not an elitist. I believe everyone should have ample time even if they're new to experience and try to figure out fights. But there are people out there that just don't get it. We've all had them, we've all tried to help in the nicest way possible, but they still just don't get it. I don't mind holding peoples hand through dungeons, but when people are being carried because their brains just don't work that well to the game environment, there's a problem.

I understand all the reasons behind having a penalty for leaving a dungeon and most of them makes sense. So please don't reply with "Well it's needed because....."

What is an issue, is if people in a dungeon clearly don't get it and continue to make the same mistakes even after being told several times, and everyone has already spent almost 1 full hour in a dungeon that normally takes 20-30 mins, then there should be no 30 minute lockout on duty finder. If I've went above and beyond trying to help the helpless, and I don't feel like constantly feeding my corpse to the boss over and over, then I should have the option to leave without penalty. I pay for this game just like everyone else. It's absurd and ridiculous. If you stay in a dungeon for at least 30 mins, there should be no penalty. Instead of tweaking the penalties when they were first implemented, you guys took a sledgehammer to it.

SOLUTION
Time in instance to not incur penalty:
Dungeons: 30 minutes (Honestly, it should be 15 minutes, but I'm being generous)
Raids: 45 - 60 minutes

[MilkieTea]

No.
It’s a 30 minute lockout. Go do something else.

[Sekurity]

No.
It’s a 30 minute lockout. Go do something else.

Very mature. Thank you for your genius take.

[ItMe]

What is an issue, is if people in a dungeon clearly don't get it and continue to make the same mistakes even after being told several times, and everyone has already spent almost 1 full hour in a dungeon that normally takes 20-30 mins, then there should be no 30 minute lockout on duty finder.

This could be useful during times when kicking them is not an option.
You shouldn't have to be stuck between a rock and a hard place just because you don't wanna carry someone.

[Sekurity]

This could be useful during times when kicking them is not an option.
You shouldn't have to be stuck between a rock and a hard place just because you don't wanna carry someone.

Exactly. I'm not calling for a drastic change like remove all penalties. Simply a re-examination of the penalty process. If the group doesnt want to vote to abandon, then the person who can't stay anymore or doesn't want to stay anymore is the one being penalized. There's better solutions.

I don't think in my situation, kicking would have been fair to the 2 people that were just awful. The healer being one of them, then I as a Red Mage, had to help heal, and even that wasn't helping the healer enough to make any difference. If they wanted to continue with the instance, by all means, that's their right, and I have no issues with that. But for me to be forced to play with them, simply to not incur a penalty, and probably would have to spend a total of 1hour 30mins more in that instance is absurd.